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Ειναι που εισαι μικρος και αθωος Θες να τα θυμηθουμε λιγο? Δες θες? Καλα θα στα πω
2013 προς 2014 απο τις μεγαλυτερες αλλαγες στους κανονισμους (ειδικα στο θεμα κινητηρα) στην συγχρονη ιστορια της Φ1 Φερραρι Εκπληκτικα κακο μονοθεσιο. Υπερστροφη και υποστροφη ταυτοχρονα ελεγε ο Αλονσο χωρις δυναμη. Παρολο που στις ταξεις ειχε Κιμι και Ναντο....2 τριτες θεσεις και αυτες με προυποθεσεις. Ρενω Περιγελος. Εσπαγε πριν τον βαλουν μπροστα Θυμαμαι Χερεθ να βγαινει απο το πιτ λειν και να μενει πριν βγει στα 200 μετρα. 3 νικες πιο πολυ λογω σασι και προβληματων αντιπαλων. Χοντα Θες αληθεια να πουμε για την Χοντα? Ξερεις πολυ καλα.
Μεσεντες Ταχυτατη αμεσως χωρις πολλα προβληματα αξιοπιστιας . 1 δευτερολεπτο περιπου απο τον επομενο και 2-3 απο τους τελευταιους Αποδειξη η Γουιλιαμς επαιζε πολυ για βαθρα εκεινη τη χρονια.
Ειναι δυνατον λοιπον με τετοια μεγαλη αλλαγη στους κανονισμους 1 ομαδα μονο να τα βρηκε ολα δεξια και ανετα, και ΟΛΕΣ οι υπολοιπες να εχουν χασει τα αυγα και τα πασχαλια? Ειδαν οτι 2015-2016 επαιξε η ιδια σουπα και αλλαξαν παλι τους κανονισμους με τα πιο φαρδια ελαστικα. Και εκει αρχιζαν δειλα δειλα να φαινονται και οι αλλες ομαδες.
Τωρα το 2022 που αλλαξαν ξανα οι κανονισμοι στην αρχη ειδαμε κοντα Φερραρι και Ταυρους με μεγαλους χαμενους ποιους?????? Την πλατουλα την πονεμενη και τον Φονεα. Η ομαδα ηταν τοσο ανετη με αυτη την γενια μοτερ που στο σασι ηταν απλα καλοι. Οταν ο κινητηρας αρχιζε να παιζει λιγοτερο ρολο το ειδαμε το εργο.
Every engine supplier knew by the end of 2011, when the change was announced for the future 2014 season. But Mercedes could have known before that…
A little history: Mercedes rejoined F1 (after their brief success in 1954 and 55) as an engine supplier in 1994. In the next years, they won four drivers titles with Hakkinen (McLaren Merc) in ’98 and ’99, Hamilton (also McLaren Merc) in ’08 and Button (Brawn Merc) in ‘09. But of those four seasons the only one they also won the Constructors title was 2009 (all the others were won by Ferrari). Not a very impressive record by one of the largest car manufacturers in the world.
After ’09 Mercedes purchased the Brawn GP team and renamed it as the “factory” team, but actually lost competitiveness. For four years in a row the drivers title went to Vettel in his RedBull Renault, while the car won the Constructors title as well.
Then, in 2011, Mercedes approached FIA and “sold” their hybrid turbo engine concept… they used Formula E (which was to debut in 2014 too) as an excuse to claim that F1 risked being a dinosaur stuck on gas engines, against the worldwide trend in passenger cars. Technically the move to hybrid turbos was decided at the end of the 2011 season, but the real problem was a “token development system” decided at the very beginning of 2014 under the guise of cost savings, which pretty much froze engine development or limited it to minor updates after an initial design had been approved; it is believed that Mercedes was far ahead of every other supplier, and therefore able to pick whichever components were trickier to get right and made them particularly hard to upgrade under the token system.
Problem was, changes like that were typically discussed among all teams before a call was made: but in that occasion, F1 bought Mercedes’ proposal and pretty much shoved it down the throats of the other engine suppliers (Renault, Ferrari and soon to be Honda).
That bought Mercedes a large early lead which allowed them to run away with seven drivers titles (6 by Lewis plus one by Nico) and 8 Constructors (including 2021).
In an effort to revitalise Formula One through making the sport more sustainable, the 2014 sporting regulations changes were arguably the biggest set of rule changes in the history of the sport. These changes mainly revolved around the introduction of a brand-new engine formula, these being 1.6 litre V6 turbocharged hybrid engines with an 8-speed semi-automatic gearbox to replace the 2.4 litre V8 naturally aspirated engines that had been previously used since 2006. This came alongside a new Energy Recovery System (ERS) to replace the old Kinetic Energy System (KERS), which would generate energy by converting the heat produced by the new turbos and using it to give more power to the cars, managed by an engine management computer. This combined with a number of major aerodynamic and car body changes gave these new regulations the power to severely shake up the competitive order of the Formula One grid. Mercedes knew this, choosing to heavily invest in the regulations, even making a prototype engine after the FIA initially proposed inline-four turbo engines at the end of 2010. Andy Cowell, who became managing director of Mercedes High Performance Powertrains at the beginning of 2013, who stated in an interview with The Race, that Mercedes had been making a ‘conscious effort to start as early as it could’ on the development of these engines, even when the regulations themselves were changed and pushed back to 2014, as they knew the value such a change would have on the competitiveness of the grid.
Mercedes had been investing in hybrid power from the early days of the regulations being announced due to former managing directors Ola Kallenius and Thomas Fuhr, but it would be Cowell who would be the one to lead the development of Mercedes’ engines for this new era. Mercedes was confident enough with the old KERS technology that it was prepared to develop both the ERS and the turbo technology in-house. This was one facet of how Mercedes was able to make its car for 2014 in complete synchrony, with its chassis, engine and electronics all being designed to specifically work with each other, giving Mercedes a developmental edge that none of the other teams truly had. If one department required changes from another department in order to extract the best out of what they were developing, those changes would be made.
The development of the actual engine itself was ingenious, the idea for its development coming from Andy Cowell himself. Three engines were built; one which was very heavy and incredibly reliable that was used to develop performance; an engine that was very fragile which was used to understand developing reliability; and a third which was described as a ‘marriage between the two of them’ where findings from both engines were applied. It was this third engine that would be the one that Mercedes would use for the season. It was an incredibly labour-intensive method, with staff having to significantly increase their working hours over the winter of 2013, but it gave Mercedes a massive advantage, allowing it to individually focus on performance and reliability instead of having to develop both at the same time with one aspect hampering the other, a method that was adopted by other teams.
- 19 Δεκ 2024, 20:18#878973
Να δεχτώ ότι ο κινητήρας (ή καλύτερα όλο το PU) ήταν μακράν καλύτερο την πρώτη χρονιά (2014). Να δεχτώ ότι ήταν το καλύτερο PU για την πρώτη τριετία, παρόλο που οι υπόλοιπες ομάδες με το ίδιο PU πέσανε σε απόδοση τις ίδιες χρονιές, διότι το PU για να στρίψει, θέλει και ένα μονοθέσιο γύρω γύρω
αλλά σε όλα αυτά που έγραψες:
Geo f1 έγραψε:
Του δωσε η ΦΙΑ με αλλους τροπους πρωταθληματα (κατι μυστικα πιρελι τεστς,das system,1-1,5 ταχυτερο μονοθεσιο με κινητηρα ΤΟΥΜΠΑΝΟ λογω γνωση των νεων κανονισμων απο το 2010 κλπ κλπ)
Τι σχέση έχει το test της Pirelli το 2013 με τα ελαστικά του 2013 για το 2014 με μονοθέσια που δεν είχαν καμία μα καμία σχέση μεταξύ τους? Άρα άκυρο αυτό το επιχείρημα
Το DAS, όπως πολλάκις έχω γράψει, αλλά και που είναι παντού διαθέσιμο, αρκεί να μην βαριέσαι να ψάξεις και να περιμένεις ο συνομιλητής σου να είναι κουτός για να μην έχει αντίλογο, το ενέκρινε η FIA με τα σχέδια που της παρείχε η Mercedes ανά τακτά διαστήματα
Άρα ποιος ο λόγος που το αναφέρεις? Επιπλέον, εάν θυμάσαι την ουσιαστική χρήση του, ήταν για να φέρνει τα εμπρός λάστιχα πιο γρήγορα στην ιδανική θερμοκρασία λειτουργίας, χρήσιμο σε επανεκκινήσεις πίσω από SC, VSC και για το Q. Δεν ήταν η ειδοποιός διαφορά του 2020
- 19 Δεκ 2024, 21:29#878977
To das το ανεφερα, επειδη το εκαναν ban αμεσως αλλα απο την επομενη χρονια. Οποτε η Μερκ και επωφεληθηκε απο αυτο αλλα και εκοψε τα φτερα στους αλλους για να ψαχτουν (Αφου δε θα ειχε του χρονου) Τα τεστ πιρελλι τα ανεφερα για εμφαση. Φαντασου πως θα ενιωθες αν εβγαινε μια ειδηση περσυ οτι ο Βερσταπεν εγραψε 200 γυρους για να καταλαβει τη νεα γομα για φετος. ΜΥΣΤΙΚΑ ΑΠΟ ΟΛΟΥΣ.
- 19 Δεκ 2024, 22:08#878979
Σκέψου ότι ακόμα αναφέρεις ένα συμβάν του 2013 (το οποίο όντως ήταν παράβαση κανονισμών) και σε πειράζει που αναφέρουμε ένα συμβάν του 2021 (που και αυτό ήταν παράβαση κανονισμού)
Αλλά στα μάτια σου του 21 δικαιολογείται απόλυτα για όλα όσα συνέβησαν όλα τα προηγούμενα χρόνια.
Geo f1 έγραψε:Ξεπεραστε το πια. Του δωσε η ΦΙΑ με αλλους τροπους πρωταθληματα (κατι μυστικα πιρελι τεστς,das system,1-1,5 ταχυτερο μονοθεσιο με κινητηρα ΤΟΥΜΠΑΝΟ λογω γνωση των νεων κανονισμων απο το 2010 κλπ κλπ) Το 2021 το αξιζε παραπανω ο Μαξ και το ΠΗΡΕ με καρμικο τροπο!!!
Μα εσύ το ξεκίνησες άνθρωπε μου που τα έβαλες όλα μέσα
Geo f1 έγραψε:[spoiler]Every engine supplier knew by the end of 2011, when the change was announced for the future 2014 season. But Mercedes could have known before that…
A little history: Mercedes rejoined F1 (after their brief success in 1954 and 55) as an engine supplier in 1994. In the next years, they won four drivers titles with Hakkinen (McLaren Merc) in ’98 and ’99, Hamilton (also McLaren Merc) in ’08 and Button (Brawn Merc) in ‘09. But of those four seasons the only one they also won the Constructors title was 2009 (all the others were won by Ferrari). Not a very impressive record by one of the largest car manufacturers in the world.
After ’09 Mercedes purchased the Brawn GP team and renamed it as the “factory” team, but actually lost competitiveness. For four years in a row the drivers title went to Vettel in his RedBull Renault, while the car won the Constructors title as well.
Then, in 2011, Mercedes approached FIA and “sold” their hybrid turbo engine concept… they used Formula E (which was to debut in 2014 too) as an excuse to claim that F1 risked being a dinosaur stuck on gas engines, against the worldwide trend in passenger cars. Technically the move to hybrid turbos was decided at the end of the 2011 season, but the real problem was a “token development system” decided at the very beginning of 2014 under the guise of cost savings, which pretty much froze engine development or limited it to minor updates after an initial design had been approved; it is believed that Mercedes was far ahead of every other supplier, and therefore able to pick whichever components were trickier to get right and made them particularly hard to upgrade under the token system.
Problem was, changes like that were typically discussed among all teams before a call was made: but in that occasion, F1 bought Mercedes’ proposal and pretty much shoved it down the throats of the other engine suppliers (Renault, Ferrari and soon to be Honda).
That bought Mercedes a large early lead which allowed them to run away with seven drivers titles (6 by Lewis plus one by Nico) and 8 Constructors (including 2021)
- 08 Φεβ 2025, 20:44#882355
Hamilton won’t last two years at Ferrari, predicts Ecclestone
“He won’t last that long,” Ecclestone told The Telegraph. “Piero Ferrari, who has taken him there, still thinks they’ve done the right thing. I hope they have. I hope they haven’t just jumped in and end up wishing they hadn’t.”
Ecclestone claimed Hamilton will play second fiddle to Charles Leclerc, his new team mate, who has raced for Ferrari since 2019.
“I don’t think Lewis will get the same attention at Ferrari,” said Ecclestone. “Firstly, the team are happy with Charles Leclerc, his team mate. Leclerc speaks their language, so they’ll be looking after him.
“Even if Lewis does well, there’ll still be a lot of enemies, because he has suddenly arrived.”
Hamilton turned 40 in the off-season and has raced continuously in F1 since making his debut in 2007. Ecclestone believes that will have an effect on his motivation.
“I have my theory about this,” he said. “It’s not the age with drivers, it’s how long they have been doing the same thing.
“I have thought with Lewis, ‘He’s getting tired. He has lost motivation.’ If he had never won a world championship, it might be different, because then there would be an incentive to win one. But he has won seven.”
The 94-year-old, who was replaced as F1 CEO eight years ago, has clashed repeatedly with Hamilton in recent years. Ecclestone’s 2020 claim “black people are more racist than what white people are” was described by Hamilton as an “ignorant and uneducated comment.”
Ecclestone came to the defence of his former driver Nelson Piquet after he used a racist term while referring to Hamilton. He later made comments about the 2008 season which prompted Felipe Massa to bring a court case aimed at overturning the result of the championship, which Hamilton won.
Hamilton’s attire and interest in music drew further criticism from Ecclestone in his latest interview. “Lewis gets himself up front in a way where you can dislike him,” he said.
“How a guy who has won a few world titles and has a few dollars in the bank can dress the way he dresses… I’m not a fan of that.
“He has a lot of talent as a driver. As much as people credit him with? No, but still enough to win races. I don’t know why he does all this other nonsense. He needs to get out of the music business and whatever else.”
