Τότε θα μπορούμε να κρίνουμε αν ήταν πετυχημένη η όχι.
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dimik έγραψε:Αν ήταν αντιπερισπασμος προς όφελος ποιας άλλης επιχείρησης ήταν και τελικά τι κερδήθηκε συνολικά και με τι κόστος σε απώλειες;
Τότε θα μπορούμε να κρίνουμε αν ήταν πετυχημένη η όχι.
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dimik έγραψε:Αν μπορούσαν θα ήταν ήδη στο Lviv εδώ και 2 χρόνια όπως και αν μπορούσε η Ουκρανία θα τους είχε στείλει πίσω από τα στενά του Kerch.
Δεν μπορεί όμως κανένας από τους 2 για αυτό οι μεν παρακαλάνε κινέζους και Β. κορεάτες και οι δε ΕΕ και ΗΠΑ.

dimik έγραψε:Αν μπορούσαν θα ήταν ήδη στο Lviv εδώ και 2 χρόνια όπως και αν μπορούσε η Ουκρανία θα τους είχε στείλει πίσω από τα στενά του Kerch.
Δεν μπορεί όμως κανένας από τους 2 για αυτό οι μεν παρακαλάνε κινέζους και Β. κορεάτες και οι δε ΕΕ και ΗΠΑ.
Russian Subordinate Main Effort #1 – Kharkiv Oblast (Russian objective: Push Ukrainian forces back from the international border with Belgorod Oblast and approach to within tube artillery range of Kharkiv City)
Ukrainian forces recently advanced within Vovchansk(northeast of Kharkiv City) amid continued fighting in northern Kharkiv Oblast on June 25. Geolocated footage published on June 25 indicates that Ukrainian forces recently marginally advanced along Soborna Street in central Vovchansk.[35] Fighting continued north of Kharkiv City near Lyptsi and Hlyboke and northeast of Kharkiv City near Vovchansk and Tykhe on June 25.[36] A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces conducted the fifth strike using a FAB-3000 glide bomb with a unified planning and correction module (UMPC) against Ukrainian forces in Vovchansk, although ISW cannot independently confirm that Russian forces used a FAB-3000 in the strike.[37]
Ukrainian Kharkiv Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Yuriy Povkh stated on June 23 that the Russian military intends to transfer elements of the "9th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 51st Army" to the Kharkiv direction.[38] Povkh stated that Russian forces have transferred Russian units from Kherson Oblast and other unspecified directions to the Kharkiv direction. Ukrainian Khortytsia Group of Forces Spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Nazar Voloshyn similarly reported on June 25 that Russian forces intend to transfer elements of the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade (Pacific Fleet) and the "9th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 51st Army" to the Kharkiv direction to compensate for heavy Russian losses.[39] ISW recently observed reports that the Russian military transferred elements of the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade and 9th Motorized Rifle Brigade (1st Donetsk People's Republic Army Corps [DNR AC]) from west and southwest of Donetsk City to the Kharkiv direction but has not observed any reporting on the Russian "51st Army."[40] The Ukrainian officials' statements suggest that the Russian military may have subordinated the 9th Motorized Rifle Brigade to the possibly resurrected Second World War-era "51st Army." The Russian military is currently undergoing large-scale reforms, however, including the creation of new combined arms army level formations, and Ukrainian sources' references to a "51st Army" may constitute an early indicator that Russia has formed another combined arms army for deployment to Ukraine.[41]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ne-25-2024
dimik έγραψε:Πόσους έστειλε και πόσους έχει την πολυτέλεια να στέλνει σε διαφορετικά σημεία κάθε 3 και λίγο?
Νομίζω ότι απλά είναι probes και σπασμωδικές κινήσεις και για εσωτερική κατανάλωση μεταξύ άλλων.

dimik έγραψε:Αν ήταν "μπαίνει-βγαίνει" όπως έκαναν οι ουκρανοί στην Ρωσία με τους ρώσους αποστάτες θα ήταν καλά, αλλά εδώ μιλάμε για πιο σοβαρές δυνάμεις και σοβαρότερες απώλειες, αυτό δεν είναι και πολύ sustainable.
π.χRussian Subordinate Main Effort #1 – Kharkiv Oblast (Russian objective: Push Ukrainian forces back from the international border with Belgorod Oblast and approach to within tube artillery range of Kharkiv City)
Ukrainian forces recently advanced within Vovchansk(northeast of Kharkiv City) amid continued fighting in northern Kharkiv Oblast on June 25. Geolocated footage published on June 25 indicates that Ukrainian forces recently marginally advanced along Soborna Street in central Vovchansk.[35] Fighting continued north of Kharkiv City near Lyptsi and Hlyboke and northeast of Kharkiv City near Vovchansk and Tykhe on June 25.[36] A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces conducted the fifth strike using a FAB-3000 glide bomb with a unified planning and correction module (UMPC) against Ukrainian forces in Vovchansk, although ISW cannot independently confirm that Russian forces used a FAB-3000 in the strike.[37]
Ukrainian Kharkiv Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Yuriy Povkh stated on June 23 that the Russian military intends to transfer elements of the "9th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 51st Army" to the Kharkiv direction.[38] Povkh stated that Russian forces have transferred Russian units from Kherson Oblast and other unspecified directions to the Kharkiv direction. Ukrainian Khortytsia Group of Forces Spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Nazar Voloshyn similarly reported on June 25 that Russian forces intend to transfer elements of the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade (Pacific Fleet) and the "9th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 51st Army" to the Kharkiv direction to compensate for heavy Russian losses.[39] ISW recently observed reports that the Russian military transferred elements of the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade and 9th Motorized Rifle Brigade (1st Donetsk People's Republic Army Corps [DNR AC]) from west and southwest of Donetsk City to the Kharkiv direction but has not observed any reporting on the Russian "51st Army."[40] The Ukrainian officials' statements suggest that the Russian military may have subordinated the 9th Motorized Rifle Brigade to the possibly resurrected Second World War-era "51st Army." The Russian military is currently undergoing large-scale reforms, however, including the creation of new combined arms army level formations, and Ukrainian sources' references to a "51st Army" may constitute an early indicator that Russia has formed another combined arms army for deployment to Ukraine.[41]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ne-25-2024
αν ισχύουν δεν μιλάμε για μικρές δυνάμεις και δεν μιλάμε για εφεδρείες αλλά για απομάκρυνση από άλλα σημεία του μετώπου.
Κατανοητό στην λογική ότι έχουν βαλτώσει τα άλλα μέτωπα και έχουν ισχυροποιηθεί τόσο οι άμυνες 2 χρόνια τώρα ώστε οποιαδήποτε κίνηση να είναι πολύ δαπανηρή.

Corto Maltese έγραψε: ... μπαίνει απασχολεί στρατό και βγαίνει και δεν έγινε και τίποτα.
Τρόμος στη Δύση: Η Ρωσία κατασκευάζει το μεγαλύτερο αεροπλανοφόρο στον κόσμο 90.000 τόνων, για να μεταφέρει τα Su-57 Stealth
EDDIE_147 έγραψε:https://www.bankingnews.gr/diethni/articles/745890/tromos-sti-dysi-i-rosia-kataskevazei-to-megalytero-aeroplanoforo-ston-kosmo-90-000-tonon-gia-na-metaferei-ta-su-57-stealthΤρόμος στη Δύση: Η Ρωσία κατασκευάζει το μεγαλύτερο αεροπλανοφόρο στον κόσμο 90.000 τόνων, για να μεταφέρει τα Su-57 Stealth
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