- 26 Οκτ 2023, 16:04
#842353
nass έγραψε:Το να βγάζεις τη Χαμάς (και το Ιράν) από το κάδρο των stakeholders δεν βοηθάει ΙΜΟ 
Το παρακάτω κείμενο είναι σαν επισκόπηση των γραφόμενων εδώ: 
We, Israel-based academics, thought leaders and progressive activists committed to peace, equality, justice,
and human rights, are deeply pained and shocked by the recent events in our region. We are also deeply
concerned by the inadequate response from certain American and European progressives regarding the
targeting of Israeli civilians by Hamas, a response which reflects a disturbing trend in the global left's
political culture.
On October 7, 2023, Hamas launched an unprecedented attack that included mass murder of innocent civilians
in their homes, indiscriminate violence towards women, the elderly, and children, and mass kidnappings of
Israeli citizens. Entire families were wiped out in this carnage, whole communities were reduced to ashes,
bodies were maimed, infants were massacred. It is impossible to overstate the damage caused by these events,
both on a personal and a collective level. The traumatizing events of that Saturday in October will leave a lasting
mark on our hearts and memories.
As expected, in response to Hamas's actions, the State of Israel launched a massive military operation in Gaza.
We still cannot estimate the death toll of these attacks, but it is likely to be higher than anything we have
witnessed heretofore. This cycle of aggression severely undermines our long-standing struggle against
oppression and violence and in pursuit of full rights and equality for all residents of Israel-Palestine. At
this moment, more than ever, we need support and solidarity from the global left, in the form of an
unequivocal call against indiscriminate violence towards civilians on both sides.
Many of our peers worldwide have expressed strong opposition to Hamas's attack and have offered
unambiguous support for its victims. Prominent voices in the Arab world, too, have made it clear that there is
no justification for sadistic murder of innocent people. However, to our dismay, some elements within the
global left, individuals who were, until now, our political partners, have reacted with indifference to
these horrific events and sometimes even justified Hamas's actions. Some have refused to condemn the
violence, claiming that outsiders have no right to judge the actions of the oppressed. Others have downplayed
the suffering and trauma, arguing that Israeli society brought this tragedy upon itself. Yet others have shielded
themselves from the moral shock through historical comparisons and rationalization. And there are even those
– no small number – for whom the darkest day in our society’s history was a cause for celebration.
This array of responses surprised us. We never imagined that individuals on the left, advocates of equality,
freedom, justice, and welfare, would reveal such extreme moral insensitivity and political recklessness.
Let us be clear: Hamas is a theocratic and repressive organization that vehemently opposes the attempt to
promote peace and equality in the Middle East. Its core commitments are fundamentally inconsistent with
progressive principles, and thus the inclination of certain leftists to react affirmatively to its actions is utterly
absurd. Moreover, there is no justification for shooting civilians in their homes; no rationalization for the
murder of children in front of their parents; no reasoning for the persecution and execution of partygoers.
Legitimizing or excusing these actions amountsto a betrayal of the fundamental principles of left-wing politics.
We emphasize: there is no contradiction between staunchly opposing the Israeli subjugation and
occupation of Palestinians and unequivocally condemning brutal acts of violence against innocent
civilians. In fact, every consistent leftist must hold both positions simultaneously.
The seventh of October is a dark day in the history of Israel-Palestine and the lives of the peoples of thisregion.
Those who refuse to condemn Hamas's actions do immense damage to the prospects of peace becoming a
viable, relevant political option. They weaken the left’s ability to present a positive social and political horizon,
turning it into an extreme, narrow, and alienating political force. We call on our peers on the left to return to
a politics based on humanistic and universal principles, to take a clear stance against human rights abuse
of any form, and to assist us in the struggle to break the cycle of violence and destruction.
Διακήρυξη 90 Ισραηλινών διαννοούμενων
Θέλω να συνομιλήσω με την Χαμάς και το Ιράν; ΌΧΙ.
Το τι θέλει η Χαμάς λοιπόν, μου είναι αδιάφορο. Θεωρώ πως αυτή την στιγμή, πρώτα και κύρια δεν εξυπηρετεί το συμφέρον του ίδιου του λαού της.
Δεν έχω καμία αξίωση να συμφωνήσουν οι ακραίοι ένθεν και ένθεν. Κοινώς, αν ήθελα την ειρήνη και την δικαιοσύνη, θα τους είχα γραμμένους και θα συνομιλούσα μόνον με τους λογικούς.
Μόλις καταλήγαμε σε μια δίκαιη συμφωνία, τότε η ίδια η Χαμάς δεν θα είχε υποστηρικτές.
Αν αντιθέτως, τώρα ξεκινήσεις μια σφαγή για να διώξεις την Χαμάς, ακόμη και να τα καταφέρεις, θα χάσεις όλους τους υπόλοιπους. Όσο σφάζεις τον Παλαιστινιακό λαό, η υποστήριξη στους ακραίους μεγαλώνει. Τόσο απλό είναι.
Όλοι έχουν καταδικάσει την Χαμάς. Το κείμενο πάνω λέει φίφες. Κι εδώ μέσα, και ΠΑΝΤΟΥ (εκτός από μερικούς βλαμμένους, αλλά αυτοί πάντα θα υπάρξουν) κανείς δεν είπε "μπράβο Χαμάς, καλά τους έκανες".
Το ότι είπαμε κάποιοι όπως και ο Γκουτιέρες του ΟΗΕ πως παιδιά, η Χαμάς δεν είναι προϊόν παρθενογέννησης, είναι προϊόν κάποιων συνθηκών. Όσο οι συνθήκες παραμένουν, θα γεννιούνται νέες Χαμάς.
Όσο ο IDF βομβαρδίζει και θεωρεί την Γάζα playground για τα κανόνια του, θα έχουμε το ίδιο.
Την λύση ΔΕΝ θα την δώσει η Χαμάς και το Ιράν. Αυτοί ξέρουμε, ΔΕΝ θέλουν λύση. Λύση χωρίς υποχώρηση του Ισραήλ, ΔΕΝ θα υπάρξει. Το Ισραήλ, δεν έχει υποχωρήσει και ούτε είναι διατεθειμένο να το κάνει.
Το λες και παβλοφικό ανακλαστικό 
