- 30 Ιουν 2016, 23:04 #274419

Τετρακυλινδρη ειναι η Panamera?

Δεν φοραει boxer καταρχας, αλλα μπορει και να βγαλει αργοτερα και 2λιτρη 4κυλινδρη, οπως εβγαλε τωρα την 2λιτρη Macan...

- 30 Ιουν 2016, 23:11 #274425 Φορά 4λιτρο διπλοτούρμπινο V8.

Μυστηριωδώς, έναν τέτοιο κινητήρα φορά και ή Bentley όπως και κάποια Audi.

????

Profit (για το Gruppe )

pfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7APmRkatEU

- 01 Ιούλ 2016, 00:11 #274440

Φορά 4λιτρο διπλοτούρμπινο V8.

Μυστηριωδώς, έναν τέτοιο κινητήρα φορά και ή Bentley όπως και κάποια Audi.

????

Profit (για το Gruppe )

και τι εγινε? Τι θες να πεις με αυτο δηλαδη, οτι παιζει κοροιδια? Ε, αμα δεν σ' αρεσει η νεα Panamera, μπορεις να ψωνισεις το Α8. Λογικα θα ειναι και φτηνοτερο...

[sknipper]

- 01 Ιούλ 2016, 22:52 #274778

Eιναι φανερη η προσπαθεια, ειδικα στο πισω μερος να φερνει περισσοτερο στο σχημα της 911...
Απο το παραπανω Video τουλαχιστον, εμενα μου φαινεται αρκετα πιο ομορφη απο την προηγουμενη, την οποια απλως θεωρουσα εντυπωσιακη οταν την εβλεπα στο δρομο...

Ουδέποτε μπόρεσα να είμαι τόσο συγκρατημένος στα σχόλιά μου για την εξωτερική εμφάνιση της φάλαιν....εεε Panamera Ι. Ιδιαίτερα όταν όλα τα αντίστοιχα κουποειδή τετραθέσια είναι μακράν ομορφότερα με αποκορύφωμα την Aston Martin. H καινούργια μοιάζει απόλυτα αποδεκτή και το πίσω της μέρος ακόμα περισσότερο. Νομίζω ότι δεν το έκαναν απλά και μόνο να μοιάζει σε 911 αλλά έκαναν και το πίσω της 911 πιο σηκωμένο ώστε να μπορεί το αναγκαστικά πιο ογκώδες της Panamera να μοιάζει με της 911.

aka onyx !

- 02 Ιούλ 2016, 14:06 #274916 παντως πανεμορφο εσωτερικο.

κουκλι.

Δημητρης

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 10:42 #278148 Πρωτη φορα που Cayman S, λαμβανει σε ξενο review, 4/5 αστερια...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/ca ... 016-review

"...there is one nagging element to the car that doesn’t quite live up to the brilliance displayed everywhere else; the engine."

"The problem is the lack of aural excitement, plus the absence of that initial hit of throttle response that so defined the old flat-six versions. The noise the Cayman makes is no more than okay, but beside the old car it sounds at best plain, at worst anodyne. The addition of a roof seems, if anything, to have amplified this effect, with a slight boominess at certain revs.

That’s a shame, because the new Cayman S is otherwise an absolute peach of a sports car. Better than its predecessor in every single way, except one – and this time this doesn’t go unnoticed."


Aλλο ενα, απο το Αγγλικο evo, εδω με 4,5/5 αστερια...

http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayman-s/1 ... ou-can-buy

"...the sound at idle is clattery and industrial. The engine is actually rather tuneless throughout its rev range, just as it is in the Boxster, but the Cayman’s solid roof insulates the din more effectively than its cousin’s fabric top."

"Beyond the soundtrack there are still reasons to miss the wonderful old normally aspirated flat-six, however. Whereas the previous engine was razor sharp in its response and exciting and tuneful in its delivery, this new unit is just a bit soulless. No longer is the engine the very heart of Porsche’s two-seat coupe. Like the Boxster, the Cayman loses its five-star rating as a result."

"But, a car's engine is an integral part of the experience, and just as with the Boxster the new Cayman has lost some of that magic with the switch to four-cylinders and turbocharging, hence its drop from a five to 4.5 star car."

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 12:55 #278172

Πρωτη φορα που Cayman S, λαμβανει σε ξενο review, 4/5 αστερια...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/ca ... 016-review

"...there is one nagging element to the car that doesn’t quite live up to the brilliance displayed everywhere else; the engine."

"The problem is the lack of aural excitement, plus the absence of that initial hit of throttle response that so defined the old flat-six versions. The noise the Cayman makes is no more than okay, but beside the old car it sounds at best plain, at worst anodyne. The addition of a roof seems, if anything, to have amplified this effect, with a slight boominess at certain revs.

That’s a shame, because the new Cayman S is otherwise an absolute peach of a sports car. Better than its predecessor in every single way, except one – and this time this doesn’t go unnoticed."


Aλλο ενα, απο το Αγγλικο evo, εδω με 4,5/5 αστερια...

http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayman-s/1 ... ou-can-buy

"...the sound at idle is clattery and industrial. The engine is actually rather tuneless throughout its rev range, just as it is in the Boxster, but the Cayman’s solid roof insulates the din more effectively than its cousin’s fabric top."

"Beyond the soundtrack there are still reasons to miss the wonderful old normally aspirated flat-six, however. Whereas the previous engine was razor sharp in its response and exciting and tuneful in its delivery, this new unit is just a bit soulless. No longer is the engine the very heart of Porsche’s two-seat coupe. Like the Boxster, the Cayman loses its five-star rating as a result."

"But, a car's engine is an integral part of the experience, and just as with the Boxster the new Cayman has lost some of that magic with the switch to four-cylinders and turbocharging, hence its drop from a five to 4.5 star car."

Υπάρχει πάντα και η άλλη οπτική γωνία

pfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7APmRkatEU

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 15:27 #278199 ^
...ειδικα αμα ξεκινας απο...παρθενογενεση...Για να δουμε ποσοι, ηδη κατοχοι boxster/cayman θα αναβαθμισουν
τα αυτοκινητα τους σε 718...

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 15:46 #278205 Να το δουμε Γρηγορη. Γιατι εμενα οι πληροφοριες μου μου λενε για ηδη "κλεισμενα" 2κατι εκατομμυρια οχηματα.

Θα είμαι πάντα με τους ξυπόλυτους , γιατί αυτοί έχουν το δίκιο με το μέρος τους.

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 16:02 #278212 2μυρια 718 κλεισμενα? Εχεις πηγες στο Τσουφενχαουζεν?

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 16:16 #278216

Θα είμαι πάντα με τους ξυπόλυτους , γιατί αυτοί έχουν το δίκιο με το μέρος τους.

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 16:23 #278218 Πολύ καλός ήχος για 2λιτρο turbo

Δεν βλέπω το λόγο μη αναβάθμισης εφόσον κάποιος θέλει
να αλλάξει την Porsche του τόσο γρήγορα

->

Αν διόρθωνα κάτι, θα ήταν λίγο πιο throaty εισαγωγή μέσω φίλτρου, αν κάτι τέτοιο
είναι εφικτό

pfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7APmRkatEU

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 16:40 #278222

Πολύ καλός ήχος για 2λιτρο turbo

Δεν βλέπω το λόγο μη αναβάθμισης εφόσον κάποιος θέλει
να αλλάξει την Porsche του τόσο γρήγορα

Που να τον δεις...Αφου σου αρεσει εσενα, τελειωσε...

Τι να λενε αραγε τα Αμερικανοπαιδα?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/201 ... joy-page-2

"Both Boxsters are capable and rewarding cars worthy of the name they bear. Had their flat-six-powered predecessors never existed, we’d be singing their praises without hesitation. But these are driver’s cars not race cars. They exist to produce pleasure not lap times. And using that as the yardstick, Beetle sounds aside, it’s hard to say that this Boxster is better in every way that matters to a sports car buyer."

...και τι να λενε αραγε κατοχοι, προηγουμενων γενιων?

Christian M.
"As current owner of a 2015 Cayman GTS and also PCA member I agree with most of your post. However, instead of driving me to "upgrade" to a base 911 the 718 is pushing me to keep driving my Cayman till the wheels fall off.
I don't think that many customer looking for a $60-80k sports car will be pushed into a $100k+ GT car. Not a smart move from Porsche to alienate the "low end" sports car customer base. But as long as the Macan and Cayenne sell OK they probably don't care about a couple hundred lost sales."

AnandN
"A high revving, naturally aspirated engine with a manual like in my 981 Boxster S makes for a great sports car experience. The sound of the 3.4 flat six with the sport exhaust is an absolute thrill even when I am just puttering around. With the new 911 as well as this car, that is gone. At least the 911 still sounds OK but this one is a disappointment. "

...κατι που ελεγα σε παλαιοτερη δημοσιευση, οτι ακομα και ρολλαροντας, στα sportscars υπαρχει ευχαριστηση...

[drdino]

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 16:45 #278223

I had a drive in a 718 Boxter S on Saturday courtesy of Porshe Bolton. I prefer to reserve judgement on these things until I've actually tried them myself.

Having driven a few Boxters and Boxter Ss over the years, I was genuinely interested in whether the 4 cylinder engine was a backward step or not. The previous 6 cylinder models certainly had a character of their own, but they had to be worked reasonably hard to extract maximum performance. That's not a complaint - I've always liked using revs and as Dan pointed out, having a car in the right gear at the right times for all road situations is a key driving skill.

Firstly, rather than sounding worse, the engine just sounded different. I quite liked the new engine note and although it wasn't as musical as a six, it had a purposeful sound at start-up and a slightly harsh, but aggressive note when revved.

On driving it, however, the benefits of the new engine were immediately obvious. The power was so much more accessible from low revs, which, of course, makes the car feel quicker, but in reality, it is quicker and I was actually hugely impressed with the cars performance.

Handling-wise, the lighter weight of the engine probably makes a difference, but it's been a while since I last drove a Boxter, so I can't make a direct comparison. It certainly inspired confidence and steered with a lovely, creamy accuracy which I don't remember from the last model.

Overall, I thought the 718 was definitely a step forward, and all the doom mongers should actually try one before dismissing it out of hand.

Κωνσταντίνος
Ο γερομπισμπίκης σε νέες περιπέτειες.

Κάτω η δικτατορία των shorts.

- 11 Ιούλ 2016, 16:47 #278226

Για να δουμε ποσοι, ηδη κατοχοι boxster/cayman θα αναβαθμισουν
τα αυτοκινητα τους σε 718...

Δεν είναι αναβάθμιση αυτό, να αλλάζεις το αυτοκίνητο που έχεις με ίδιο, μόνο μερικά χρόνια νεώτερη γενιά... και δε νομίζω ότι το κάνουν πολλοί (ίσως κάτι ορκισμένοι Mercedes-άκηδες)
Αναβάθμιση είναι να έχεις Cayman και να πάρεις 911.
Ή να έχεις πχ. Subaru Impreza και να πάρεις Cayman. Για να δούμε τι θα γίνει με αυτούς τους τελευταίους