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By EDDIE_147
#20330 Βασικά ανεξαρτήτως Αλόνζου αν οι Ιάπωνες αποφασίσουν να φύγει ο Button είναι πολλά κιλά μαλάκες.
Όχι μόνο γιατί η εμπειρία του είναι υπεραπαραίτητη για την εξέλιξη του μονοθεσίου αλλά γιατί αυτός τους έδωσε το πρώτο και τελευταίο τους πρωτάθλημα ως κατασκευαστές σασί, άσχετα αν αυτοί ήταν τόσο καθυστερημένοι που αποχώρησαν και δεν μπορούσαν να βάλουν το λογότυπο τους επάνω.
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By ripper
#20334 Εννοείται ότι όπως έχουν τώρα τα πράγματα, ο Button έπρεπε να έχει ανανεώσει για ένα χρόνο χθες.
Εκτός και αν έφερναν τον Vettel.

O σύλλογος φίλων ΜcLaren petrolheads (ΣΥΦΙMPE) στηρίζει Jenson Button.
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By kantoniou
#20335 Fernando Alonso's departure hands Sebastian Vettel big chance
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29487931
Andrew Benson CHIEF F1 WRITER

Επαινει τον Αλονσο για τις οδηγικες ικανοτητες του, αλλα τον κατηγορει για τον χαρακτηρα του και τις επιλογες καριερας που εκανε. :iconcool:

The man most within Formula 1 acknowledge to be the best driver in the world should have been a natural fit with the sport's most famous team. Yet after five frustrating years, Fernando Alonso and Ferrari are divorcing.
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Alonso has lost faith in Ferrari's ability to deliver him the third title he so desperately craves. But the sport's most formidable - and demanding - competitor has apparently cast in his lot with another struggling team, McLaren, where he already has a painful history.
The fact that he appears to be going back to the team with which he spent such an acrimonious season in 2007 is a measure of how badly things have gone awry between Alonso and Ferrari.
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Alonso felt he had no choice but to leave Ferrari, despite the team embarking on a major restructuring under new team principal Marco Mattiacci and their highly rated English technical director James Allison, who rates Alonso as the best driver on the grid and was at Renault when he won his two world championships.
With Mercedes and Red Bull not interested in signing him, Alonso was left with only one place to go, unless he wants to retire or take a sabbatical.
In this, Honda has been instrumental. The Japanese company, which is returning to F1 with McLaren in 2015, had tried to sign Alonso for its own team last decade, before quitting at the end of 2008. Finally, it seems Honda has got its man, at the cost of a reputed $50m (£32.3m), which would make him the best-paid driver in F1 by a long way.
For all his frustration at Ferrari, Alonso will know that McLaren, chassis-wise, are in a much worse state this year - the Ferrari is quicker, at least in Alonso's hands, despite at least a 50bhp power deficit to the Mercedes engine McLaren will abandon in five races' time.
But having realised he cannot get a Mercedes engine, and believing Ferrari will not be competitive again in the near future, Alonso has decided his only chance to beat Mercedes is to bank on Honda getting it right, and on McLaren - in the midst of their own restructuring - sorting out their woes before Ferrari do.
On the face of it, abandoning Ferrari looks like a poor choice, but the same was said of Lewis Hamilton's decision to leave race-winning McLaren for struggling Mercedes at the end of 2012. And look how that turned out.
Equally, Ferrari insiders make no attempt to disguise how big their rebuilding job is, and talk privately about it being 2016 or 2017 before they can even hope to be properly competitive.Alonso, at 33, realises time is beginning to run out on his career and felt he could not wait that long.

Vettel, on the other hand, can afford to do just that. He already has four titles in the bag, and at 27 has time on his side to invest in building a title-winning partnership with Ferrari, in much the same way as his compatriot and friend Michael Schumacher did 20 years ago.
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His relationship with Ferrari goes back a long way, though. Italian sources close to the team have insisted for some years that there has been a long-standing agreement between Vettel and Ferrari that he would go there in the near future, despite repeated denials by Red Bull and Vettel of any such arrangement.
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Vettel has a much sunnier demeanour than the broodingly intense Alonso. That should not be taken to mean he cannot throw his weight around when he feels the need - as numerous stories from inside Red Bull attest - but he is far less likely to make the sort of pointed comments in public that have sometimes caused friction with Alonso. Ferrari do not like to be criticised in public, and in that sense one imagines a far more harmonious relationship with Vettel than has been the case with Alonso.

Alonso the driver is virtually peerless. But outside the cockpit his skills have been lacking. For all his undoubted intelligence and cunning, Alonso has not exactly excelled when it comes to making career choices over the years.
At the end of 2007, he turned to his McLaren colleagues as he walked out for the last time at the final race of the season and admitted it had all gone wrong because he had "lost it" during the year. Had he kept himself under control that summer, and calmed the situation rather than worsened it, he may well have won the title - and the following one in 2008 as well, given Hamilton's up-and-down season that year.
Likewise, when Alonso left McLaren, he chose to go back to Renault, knowing a Ferrari deal was waiting for him a couple of years down the line. At the time, Red Bull - then still 18 months from the first win - wanted him, too. But they were insisting on a two-year commitment and Alonso wanted to make only one, so he turned them down.
Now he has made another critical choice and already there are those who know him well - both his fortes and his foibles - saying this is another example of Alonso acting on bad advice from those closest to him, whether it be his father, his adviser Flavio Briatore or someone else.
How can he expect it to work, many wonder, going back to an uncompetitive McLaren, where Dennis is again a key figure?
Alonso is a difficult and demanding character - some in F1 even say poisonous - and what he probably sees as requiring his teams to match the levels of effort and unstinting commitment he puts into his driving, some see as him being overly tough and unpleasant. Dennis, although in many ways very different to Alonso, shares some of those characteristics. How can they not, many wonder, end up rubbing each other up the wrong way all over again?
But there is another potential end to this story. Perhaps, realising this is his last roll of the dice, Alonso will be different this time, aware that there is nowhere else to go, no other team who will have him. With McLaren racing director Eric Boullier as a buffer between Alonso and Dennis - what the driver has been promised, I hear - perhaps the two men can rub along after all.
McLaren and Honda will not want for money and resources, and in Alonso they have a driver who can do things almost no-one else on the grid can.
If they worship him for that, and they each commit to each other, perhaps it will work after all. If it doesn't, Alonso is likely to end his career with 'just' those two titles to his name, won long ago, when he emerged at the head of the new generation finally displacing Schumacher.
In some ways, the numbers mean nothing. The consistent excellence of Alonso's performances over the years - his speed, his repeatedly breathtaking overtaking moves, his sheer, bloody-minded relentlessness, his forcing of uncompetitive cars into places they don't belong - has long since rendered irrelevant the statistical disparities between his career and, say, Vettel's.
But in other ways, especially to Alonso himself, the statistics mean a lot.
It is the fact that his hero Ayrton Senna won three championships that makes the number so important to him, so it is fitting that it is to the team with which Senna achieved his greatest success that Alonso now turns to achieve his own aim.
He admitted in a BBC Sport interview earlier this year that to end his career without winning another title would be "sad".
Given the level of his ability, it would be more than that; in many ways, it would be a travesty, one that meant when he looked back on his career there would always be regret mixed in with the justifiable pride.
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By kantoniou
#20340
ripper έγραψε:O σύλλογος φίλων ΜcLaren petrolheads (ΣΥΦΙMPE) στηρίζει Jenson Button.

Και ο συλλογος φιλων Jenson Button και Jessica Michibata αλλα εχθρων του καραφλα (ΣΦJBJMΑΕΤΚ), στον οποιον ανηκουμε εγω και ο Εντη, στηριζει τον Jenson. Ειναι αμαρτια να αποσυρθει αυτος ο οδηγος, σημερα ηταν παλι παρα πολυ καλος.
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By EDDIE_147
#20347
At the end of 2007, he turned to his McLaren colleagues as he walked out for the last time at the final race of the season and admitted it had all gone wrong because he had "lost it" during the year. Had he kept himself under control that summer, and calmed the situation rather than worsened it, he may well have won the title - and the following one in 2008 as well, given Hamilton's up-and-down season that year.


Παραδόξως...
Μετά τον περιβόητο αγώνα στην Ουγγαρία, ο Alonso είχε πολύ καλύτερη συγκομιδή βαθμών από το Λούη.
Η δε μια εγκατάλειψη του Λούη ήταν από |λογοκρισία| της ομάδας ενώ η αντίστοιχα μοναδική εγκατάλειψη του Αλόνζου στο ίδιο διάστημα ήταν από δικό του λάθος (Fuji).

Είναι αυτό που θα λεγε και ο Κώστας Γαμάτος ότι με όλη αυτή τη μίρλα και τη γκρίνια έπεσε το 170% σε 145,7%...
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By kantoniou
#20351 Vettel masterminded massive Ferrari deal
http://thisisf1.com/2014/10/05/vettel-m ... rari-deal/
Posted On 05 Oct 2014

Καλα, ο Φετελ δεν εχει μανατζερ; :dizzy:

The word at Suzuka on race-day Sunday is that Sebastian Vettel pulled off a masterstroke. Not only has he exposed Fernando Alonso’s Ferrari split and revealed that Red Bull’s doors are closed to the Spaniard, the reigning world champion has reportedly single-handedly brokered perhaps the most lucrative deal in F1 history. Famously, Vettel is one of those rare drivers who negotiates his own deals without the help of a manager. “I have a head and a brain,” the 27-year-old smiled on Saturday after his shock Red Bull exit was announced. Incredibly, British newspapers claim Vettel’s new Ferrari deal – which is yet to be announced – could be worth up to an astonishing $80 million per year, :hmmm: making him easily the highest paid driver in F1. How has he managed to negotiate that himself? “I’m not completely alone,” Vettel is quoted by Kleine Zeitung newspaper. “I have a friend who I consult with a little and a lawyer but I think I am old enough.”

The huge unanswered question now is what Alonso will do. Some were surprised when it became clear Vettel’s exit did not mean the Spaniard simply jumps straight to Red Bull. Instead, the energy drink company signed Toro Rosso rookie Daniil Kvyat to pair with Daniel Ricciardo in 2015. Asked if Russian Kvyat’s promotion is a surprise, Alonso insisted: “No, not really. The programme of Red Bull has been very successful with Sebastian, Ricciardo and Kvyat and it is understandable that they follow the programme. A position at Red Bull was never a priority for me.”

Dr Helmut Marko agreed at Suzuka that with Red Bull having such talented home-grown talents, it made no sense to go shopping for a ready-made champion like Alonso. And Auto Motor und Sport quoted Christian Horner as saying: “With Alonso, you buy a mortgage as well. He is a great driver, but not a simple man.”

Clearly, McLaren-Honda is an option for Alonso, but the Spanish daily AS insists the 33-year-old has his mind set on a dominant Mercedes seat. Niki Lauda ruled that out on Saturday, but team boss Toto Wolff is still not willing to guarantee that both Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton will be wearing silver in 2015. “We want the best drivers available that work together in an atmosphere of respect,” he is quoted by Speed Week. “We are very happy with our drivers and the contractual situation is clear. I see not the slightest reason for us to starting running around the paddock talking to all kinds of drivers.” Nonetheless, Wolff admitted: “In life there is nothing that is 100 per cent sure, but we are 99.99pc sure that we will be with the same drivers. That is my wish for Christmas,” he added. And Auto Motor und Sport quoted Wolff as saying: “If you have a beautiful woman, you don’t look for another — unless the one you have tells you they no longer want you.”

So as sodden Suzuka braces for a typhoon on race-day, the big paddock rumour is that Alonso is warning he is prepared to take a sabbatical if he does not secure the seat and conditions he wants for 2015. “Sabbatical? Why not?” Alonso is quoted by Italy’s La Repubblica. “There are options, but you have to understand that if you see things from the outside, on the inside it is very different. When I tell you, you will understand better.”

For the moment, McLaren and Honda insist a deal with Alonso has not been done. “There is still no decision,” Yasuhisa Arai, Honda’s new F1 chief, told Speed Week. “I emphasise — no decision. Many media are already naming names, but this is not true.” McLaren supremo Ron Dennis said late on Saturday that it remains possible the Woking team will line up with the same drivers in 2015. Others would put more money on Alonso alongside Kevin Magnussen.
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By ripper
#20352 Να μικρύνεται το όνομα του συλλόγου σας.

Ο Button είναι φίλα προσκείμενος και στις δύο πλευρές (Βρετανός, χρόνια στην ομάδα, με Ιαπωνικές αγάπες και πρώην Ηondικός), πολύ έμπειρος (που βοηθάει σε καινούρια project), όχι κουλός, αποδεδειγμένα team player, πρωταθλητής, φοβερός σε μεικτές συνθήκες ...

Θα είναι αμαρτία να μείνει εκτός ομάδας και (λογικά) F1. Να πεις ότι είχες δύο κορυφαίους και δεν χωράει, ΟΚ, αλλά δεν έχεις.
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By kantoniou
#20364 Καλα, θα κοψω το JM. Τα 4 τελευταια γραμματα δεν φευγουν, οτι και να λες. :rtfm:
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ByGTO
#20387 Γιατί αντιστέκεστε οι Mclarenikoi?Αφού είναι αναπόφεκτο.


Εικόνα

:s_biggrin
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By Corto Maltese
#20400
EDDIE_147 έγραψε:Βασικά ανεξαρτήτως Αλόνζου αν οι Ιάπωνες αποφασίσουν να φύγει ο Button είναι πολλά κιλά μαλάκες.
Όχι μόνο γιατί η εμπειρία του είναι υπεραπαραίτητη για την εξέλιξη του μονοθεσίου αλλά γιατί αυτός τους έδωσε το πρώτο και τελευταίο τους πρωτάθλημα ως κατασκευαστές σασί, άσχετα αν αυτοί ήταν τόσο καθυστερημένοι που αποχώρησαν και δεν μπορούσαν να βάλουν το λογότυπο τους επάνω.

Button λένε τον Μαξ;
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By kantoniou
#20402
Corto Maltese έγραψε:
EDDIE_147 έγραψε:Βασικά ανεξαρτήτως Αλόνζου αν οι Ιάπωνες αποφασίσουν να φύγει ο Button είναι πολλά κιλά μαλάκες.
Όχι μόνο γιατί η εμπειρία του είναι υπεραπαραίτητη για την εξέλιξη του μονοθεσίου αλλά γιατί αυτός τους έδωσε το πρώτο και τελευταίο τους πρωτάθλημα ως κατασκευαστές σασί, άσχετα αν αυτοί ήταν τόσο καθυστερημένοι που αποχώρησαν και δεν μπορούσαν να βάλουν το λογότυπο τους επάνω.

Button λένε τον Μαξ;

The row that has split F1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 003667.stm
Ross Brawn, whose Brawn Grand Prix car is leading the field with its 'double-decker' diffuser, warned rival teams last season that the rules governing the rear of the car were open to interpretation.
But, as you would expect, some of the teams who had already started development for 2009 - including Renault and BMW Sauber - did not want to change the rules to make them clearer.

Ειναι ευρεως γνωστο οτι ο Brawn τους ειχε καθαρα προειδοποιησει για τον συγκεκριμενο κανονισμο, δεν τον ακουσαν, τους εσκισε και τελος. Ο Μαξ φταιει αν ολοι οι αλλοι πιαστηκαν |λογοκρισία|;
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ByDeleted user 3
#20494 Πολλες οι εξελιξεις!!Πολλες!!

Ο Φεττελ εκανε το βημα (που λιγοι περιμεναν) και ανακατεψε την τραπουλα αρκετα!! Ουσιαστικα ο Αλονσο μονο Μακλαρεν μπορει να παει παρολο που μαλλον θελει να βρεθει στην Μερσεντες!!
ΔΕΝ θελω να κατσε σπιτι του ενα χρονο..

Τα σχολια του οτι μπορει να παει οπου θελει και οποτε θελει δεν μου αρεσε..Ηδη Μαρκο και Λαουντα ειπαν ονκαμερα ηχηρα οχι..Οχι φυσικα γιατι δεν τον θεωρουν κορυφαιο,αλλα για δικους τους λογους.

Ο Ντενις στην συνεντευξη του στον Μπραντλ ειπε οτι περιμενουν απο το 2015 να ειναι δυνατοι..Οποτε πιστευω να τα βρουνε και να παει εκει.

(Καλα καποιοι βεβαια το εχουν χασει τελειως και θελουν τον Μπατον instead :svivhaha: ) :s_crazy
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By mikeerfol
#20516 Ποιος είπε Button instead? Εγώ απότι κατάλαβα η φάση είναι Button-Alonso :inlove: :inlove:

Επίσης
F1Writers @f1writers
#Ferrari ensured #Bianchi a seat at #Sauber 2015, waiting to promote him in #Ferrari 2016 replacing #Raikkonen #ForzaJules via @LorenzoDL83


:oops:

@Άμπαλε αν κρίνουμε από τις τελευταίες εξελίξεις είναι έγκυρη πηγή.
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ByDeleted user 3
#20526 No Mike!!

Η φαση ειναι Αλονσο-Μαγκνουσεν! Τοσο στο sky οσο και στο bbc αυτο ελεγαν ολο το σκ.
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By EDDIE_147
#20538
Geo f1 έγραψε:No Mike!!

Η φαση ειναι Αλονσο-Μαγκνουσεν! Τοσο στο sky οσο και στο bbc αυτο ελεγαν ολο το σκ.


Εικόνα

Αναμενόμενο.