- 29 Απρ 2015, 10:52 #105690

Σαφώς υπάρχει γκετοποίηση και διακρίσεις αλλά και μεγάλη εγκληματικότητα και παραβατισμός που δεν οφείλεται μόνο στην ανέχεια και στην ανεργία αλλά σε μια κουλτούρα του "γκέτο" που έχει δημιουργηθεί και παράγει πρεζέμπορους και ραπερ. Ένας πιτσιρικάς στο γκέτο ή θα διαλέξει τον δύσκολο δρόμο της δουλειάς απο μικρή ηλικία παράλληλα με σχολείο ή θα γίνει gangsta.

A;
Wot;
Come again;
Συγνωμη κυριε, ποιος ειστε;

Dat bro

Monday, January 10th: Caused a commotion at the McDonald's in the Jamaica, Queens. A kid asked me to take his photograph. When I started to, 20 of his friends started climbing over tables, trying to get in the picture. There was a lot of screaming. $1000 in cash was pulled out of a sock. The cops were called. Everyone in this picture was escorted out two minutes later. https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyor ... =1&theater

plus dat

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -riot.html

- 29 Απρ 2015, 11:01 #105692 ΥΟU DA MAN!

WORD.

Θα είμαι πάντα με τους ξυπόλυτους , γιατί αυτοί έχουν το δίκιο με το μέρος τους.

- 29 Απρ 2015, 11:16 #105697

ΥΟU DA MAN!

WORD.

didu nuffin

- 29 Απρ 2015, 12:27 #105718

Τη λογική του involved party δεν περίμενα ένα ανοιχτόμυαλο άτομο σαν κι εσένα να την αγνοεί τόσο πολύ.

Ας πούμε είμαι σίγουρος ότι για το τι συνέβη στην πλατεία Τιεν Αν Μεν θα διάβαζες κατά κύριο λόγο τι έλεγε το ΚΚΚ.

Καλα, εννοειται οτι δε θα ρωτουσα το ΚΚ(wherever) αν ηθελα να μαθω τι συνεβη στην πραγματικοτητα. Μερικοι το εκαναν βεβαια.

Γιατί γενικά μιλώντας, η πλέον αξιόπιστη πηγή χαρακτηρισμού μιας έντονης αντίδρασης, είναι η πλευρά ενάντια στην οποία γίνεται η αντίδραση.

Με τη λογικη σου, θα ρωταμε πχ τα παιδια που πετανε ψυγεια απο τις ταρατσες για να μαθουμε τι εγινε, ε? ή τους τυπους που την επεσαν στο Βαρουφακη την ωρα που ετρωγε.
Συγχαρητηρια.


In other, (similar) news, θες μια μπυριτσα? Ειναι απο παλιότερη "αξιοπιστη πηγη", οχι απο involved parties:

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 03:08 #106394 WTF???

Σάββας Ξηρός: Αρνούμαι το «βραχιολάκι» λόγω θρησκείας - Το γράφει και η Αποκάλυψη


«Περιγράφεται στην Αποκάλυψη ως μέσον χωρίς το οποίο δεν μπορεί κάποιος να μετέχει στην κοινωνική ζωή» εξηγεί την άποψή του το μέλος της «17 Νοέμβρη» - Αυτός ο τρόπος επιτήρησης προσπαθεί να επιβληθεί με κάθε τρόπο στη σύγχρονη κοινωνία, προσθέτει
Δεν επιθυμεί να δεχθεί ως μέσο για την αποφυλάκισή του το ηλεκτρονικό «βραχιολάκι» ο Σάββας Ξηρός, όπως αναφέρει σε συνέντευξη που παραχώρησε από τον Κορυδαλλό.


«Προτίθεμαι να μην το δεχτώ, χωρίς να θέλω να πω τίποτα για τον καινούργιο νόμο. Ο καινούργιος νόμος πέρασε με δυσκολία και η κυβέρνηση φάνηκε να δείχνει αποφασιστικότητα και αντοχή», λέει ο καταδικασμένος τρομοκράτης για τις δολοφονίες της «17 Νοέμβρη» για την διάταξη που προκάλεσε «τριγμούς» στις σχέσεις της Ελλάδας με τις ΗΠΑ και την Βρετανία.

Οσον αφορά στο γιατί αρνείται την χρήση της διάταξης, ο Σάββας Ξηρός εξηγεί πως αιτία είναι οι θρησκευτικές του πεποιθήσεις: «Ο πρώτος και κυριότερος λόγος είναι λόγω θρησκευτικών πεποιθήσεων. Δηλαδή αυτό περιγράφεται στην Αποκάλυψη ως μέσον χωρίς το οποίο δεν μπορεί κάποιος να μετέχει στην κοινωνική ζωή και τείνει να επιβληθεί σε όλο και περισσότερες κοινωνικές ομάδες. Αυτό το ζήτημα, αυτός ο τρόπος επιτήρησης προσπαθεί να επιβληθεί με κάθε τρόπο στη σύγχρονη κοινωνία. Δηλαδή, το να δοκιμάζεται πιλοτικά αυτό το σύστημα σε κατάδικο, σε κρατούμενο, δηλαδή κάνουν ένα πείραμα σε πραγματικές συνθήκες. Τώρα πρέπει να επεκταθεί σε ευαίσθητους τομείς, δηλαδή ποιοι δουλεύουν στα αεροδρόμια, όπως έγινε το 2004 με τα βιομετρικά στοιχεία στα αεροδρόμια, τα οποία σήμερα έχουν επεκταθεί και στις τράπεζες και σε άλλα».

«Θα υπάρχει μια γενική επιτήρηση και από εκεί που υποτίθεται ότι το σύστημα κοιτάει τον άνθρωπο, ξαφνικά ο κάθε άνθρωπος θα γίνει μια κουκίδα σε μια οθόνη με ένα πλήρη έλεγχο κίνησής του» τονίζει.

Αναφερόμενος στους ιατρικούς λόγους για τους οποίους δεν δέχεται το βραχιολάκι είναι ότι δεν θα μπορεί να κάνει καμία εξέταση, ούτε καρδιογράφημα, ούτε μαγνητική, ούτε αξονικές.

http://www.protothema.gr/greece/article ... okalupsi-/

Στο βιντεο λεει και αλλες βλακειες




Κατα Ματθαιον

Και ειπεν ο Κυριος: "Ύπαγετε επανασταται της ιζ' Νοεμβριου και ανατιναξατε ιμπεριαλιστας και πυροβολησατε υπουργους και φονευσατε πραιτωριανους ΜΑΤατζηδες, καμετε μανες ανευ υιων και ο Συριζα θα φροντισει να εισελθετε εις την βασιλειαν των ουρανων" και Σαββας ο τυφλος, Χριστοδουλος ο λιπώδης και Δημητριος ο φαρμακοχειρ απηλθον απο του ναου και ανεχωρησον προς αγνωστν κατευθυνσιν.

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 05:24 #106396 Σε αντιθεση με τον καραγκιοζη τον Ξηρο και την παρέα του, να ενας τυπος που δεν ηταν ΚΟΤΑ:

Πολυ συγκινητικη ιστορια

A father goes 'badass' to save his family


By John Blake, CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/29/us/vietnam-sea-rescue/index.html
(CNN) If you'd seen him in the crowded room that night, you might not have given him a second look.

He was the frail old man in a wheelchair. He wore a black ascot cap, a burgundy tie and a gray tweed jacket that covered his 140-pound frame. Ba Van Nguyen couldn't speak, could barely move; just a tiny man in a roomful of big Navy men swapping war stories.

But rewind the clock 40 years, slap a pistol in Nguyen's shoulder holster, add about 10 pounds of wiry muscle, and strap him into the seat of a military helicopter armed with an M60 machine gun and he becomes something else:

A total badass.

On April 29, 1975, Nguyen did something that could have been ripped from the script of a "Mission Impossible" movie. He was fleeing from the North Vietnamese army with his wife and their three young children as communist soldiers crashed the gates of Saigon. For 20 excruciating minutes, Nguyen's copter literally hovered between life and death over the South China Sea as a group of astonished U.S. Navy sailors watched from the deck of a nearby ship.

"We couldn't figure out how he did it; he was a Houdini," said Hugh Doyle, the chief engineering officer aboard a U.S. naval ship that encountered Nguyen at sea.

Snippets of Nguyen's story have been told before. "The Last Days of Vietnam," a riveting documentary, which aired on PBS this week, shows photographs of Nguyen's Houdini maneuvers. A book, "The Lucky Few: The Fall of Saigon and the Rescue Mission of the USS Kirk,'' also explores Nguyen's exploits.

But what happened to Nguyen after his "Mission Impossible" escape hasn't been explored. In some ways, what he did when he came to America was just as impressive.

'I knew my dad was coming'

Nguyen was no hero on the morning of April 29, 1975. He was desperate. He was just one of thousands of South Vietnamese who were trying to flee the country as the North Vietnamese steamrolled into Saigon.

The U.S involvement in Vietnam had officially ended two years earlier with the signing of the Paris Peace Accord. But American civilian and diplomatic personnel in Saigon were being evacuated to U.S. naval ships in the South China Sea and hordes of South Vietnamese were trying to hitch a ride. Many were soldiers like Nguyen, a major in the South Vietnamese Air Force. If captured, they faced execution and the dispersion of their families to brutal work camps.

Nguyen, though, had a plan. He moved his family to his mother-in-law's house in a residential neighborhood in Saigon, and he told his wife, Nho, to start packing. He would return in a CH-47 Chinook, the largest helicopter in the South Vietnamese Air Force. The distinctive whump whump whump of a Chinook could be heard from miles away.

"If you hear a Chinook coming, get ready," Nguyen told his wife.

Miki, Nguyen's oldest son, slept under his bed the night before his family's escape. He could hear the crackle of machine guns and whistling missiles as the North Vietnamese drew closer, but he remained confident.

"I knew my dad was coming," he says in the documentary "The Last Days of Vietnam."

Miki heard the Chinook the next morning. He grabbed some clothes and baby milk for his 10-month-old sister, Mina, and sprinted to the Chinook with his family and several of his dad's friends. Once inside, he heard his father say that he saw U.S. helicopters headed out to sea. They had to be landing somewhere.

"Let's see how this goes," Nguyen said as he steered the helicopter to the South China Sea, just as an ominous red light appeared on the dashboard indicating that the craft was running low on fuel.

Once at sea, Nguyen turned on his radio's emergency frequency and heard the chatter of American naval officers. Someone in the helicopter spotted a U.S. Navy ship below. It was the USS Kirk, and it had a landing deck. Nguyen steered the Chinook to the Kirk.

The Kirk was led by Capt. Paul Jacobs, dubbed "Big Jake" by his crew. He was a straight-talking, no-nonsense New Englander who stood 6-foot-3. He had orders to shoot down any unidentified aircraft that might threaten the aerial evacuation from Saigon.

Jacobs could have ordered the destruction of Nguyen's aircraft, but he took a chance. He figured Nguyen was a South Vietnamese soldier fleeing for safety. The sky was buzzing that day with South Vietnamese pilots ferrying their family and friends to U.S. ships in stolen military helicopters.

"Unless somebody shoots at us, we ain't shooting," Jacobs told his crew.

Nguyen radioed the Kirk as he slowly approached. He spoke little English, but the Kirk had a sailor who spoke rudimentary Vietnamese. In his book, "The Lucky Few," the author Jan Herman recounted Nguyen's desperation. He told the Kirk's radio operator that he had women and children aboard, and he was running out of fuel.

"I must land or crash into the sea," Nguyen said. "Please help us."

The Kirk's crew tried to wave Nguyen away. Its landing deck was too small for the Chinook. If Nguyen tried to land, the Chinook's blades could tear into the ship, killing passengers and crew.

Nguyen had an idea. He radioed the Kirk that he would hover just above the deck. Then he would order his wife and three children to take their chances by jumping out of the helicopter, into the arms of sailors. Kent Chipman was one of those sailors waiting below. He was a Texas native with a droopy mustache who everyone called "Chippy." He weighed only 130 pounds, and wondered if he was big enough to break the fall of the Chinook's passengers. As he held up his arms, he had a thought:

This is going to be bad

Nguyen deftly steered the Chinook over to the fantail of the ship, keeping the copter's rotors clear of the ship's superstructure. A sudden gust of wind, a wrong nudge on his part, and the blades could tear into the ship, killing his family and the crew.

His co-pilot opened the door. He motioned to Nguyen's wife, Nho, that women and children should go first. Miki jumped first, followed by his little brother. Then Nho grabbed her infant daughter, extended her arms, and dropped her to the sailors below before jumping as well. Kirk sailors caught all of them; no one was injured.

Nguyen was now alone in the Chinook. How could he safely get on the Kirk as he wrestled with the 12-ton helicopter? He had another idea. He would attempt something that he had never tried before -- a ditch at sea. He flew the helicopter a safe distance from the Kirk and hovered for about 10 minutes as his wheels dipped in and out of the water.

Chipman watched what Nguyen did next from the deck of the Kirk.

"This is crazy; he's taking off his clothes," Chipman thought to himself as he watched Nguyen.

Somehow Nugyen took off his flight suit and his shoulder holster -- all while working various sticks and controls to keep the massive helicopter stationary. One pilot who watched it said he couldn't figure out how Nguyen undressed while keeping the Chinook stationary. Nguyen then rolled the helicopter with its whirring blades to the right, away from the ship. As it began to tumble over and hit the water, he jumped into the sea.

The impact sounded like a train wreck. Jagged shrapnel from the helicopter's blade whistled by the Kirk. The helicopter then turned upside down in the water, its wheels pointing upward. There was an ominous silence as the crew watched something red spread across the spot in the sea where Nguyen jumped.

No one could see him. Then someone spotted a tiny head as it bobbed to the surface. Nguyen was alive. He had managed to somehow dive under the water when the Chinook hit. The red liquid was hydraulic fluid.

The crew on the Kirk exploded with applause, whistles and cheers.

"Attaboy!" one said.
"Did a beautiful job," said another.

A motorboat from the Kirk was dispatched to pick up Nguyen. He was brought on board wearing nothing but the red boxer shorts his wife had made for him and a white, floral shirt. The gold bars he had placed in his pockets were gone.

"He wanted immediately to be reunited with his family," said Doyle, then the ship's chief engineer.

A snippet of film footage shot by various crew members showed Nguyen right after his narrow escape. He stood next to Jacobs, coolly nodding as both made small talk. His body was still and his demeanor unruffled; you'd never imagine he had just escaped death and saved his family.

The Kirk would go on to rescue a ragtag flotilla of South Vietnamese naval ships, merchant ships and fishing boats. Jacobs and his crew would eventually save 30,000 South Vietnamese refugees.

Today, Jacobs says his crew was skillful, but they were also lucky. The South China Sea was notoriously rough; 20-foot waves and nasty winds were common. Yet the sea was placid that day.

"God was looking out for us, because for several days we had seas as flat as a flounder," he said.

Chipman never forgot Nguyen's coolness under pressure and the relief he felt when he successfully caught the pilot's infant daughter and wife.

"It was a happy ending to a shitty war," he said.

'He was a bit modest'


It was a bittersweet ending, though, for Nguyen. He had saved his family but lost everything else -- his money, status, extended family and his country. He moved to Seattle with his family and eventually found a job as a technician with Boeing. He took on his new life with the same tenacity and resourcefulness that he relied on over the South China Sea.

He painstakingly learned the English language. He worked as a janitor at night while going to electronics school during the day. When he got a job at Boeing, he awakened at 4 every morning and was out the door a half-hour later. A family in a Lutheran church helped sponsor his family. Still, six months after he arrived in the United States, he took his family off government assistance, telling them the United States was the land of opportunity.

He just didn't want to take; he wanted to give back. He told his family they were going to become U.S. citizens within five years so they could pay taxes and vote. From his children, he expected stellar grades and told them college was non-negotiable. He would pay their way if they earned good grades.

At times, he trained his children like they were crew members aboard his Chinook.

He'd rouse them from their bed every Saturday morning with a list of household cleaning tasks. If they finished their homework early, he'd give them new math problems to teach them to take their time.

"If we transposed the wrong number, he would erase the entire page and we had to start from the beginning," said Mina, the infant girl who was dropped from the Chinook.

He was as fiercely protective of his youngest daughter as he was when he flew her to safety.

When Mina began dating a musician, who would eventually become her husband, Nguyen had a man-to-man talk with him.

"You're not good enough for my daughter," he told him. "Why don't you have a doctorate? She has a doctorate."

Yet Nguyen was not an inflexible taskmaster. He liked to have fun. His children said he relished living life to the fullest, knowing that he had been given a second chance. He loved to fish, play piano and host karaoke parties at his home. And he could maneuver on the dance floor as well as he could in a helicopter. He loved to dance the rhumba and the cha-cha.

And if his children complained, they'd hear The Speech:

Your mother and I came to the United States with nothing but my drawers," he'd tell his children. "Look at where we are today. We are not wealthy. But we are not poor."

The family's improbable journey to the United States moved into the realm of myth: It was no longer a story to be swapped over the dinner table, but something that distilled the values they admired.

"This is our Ellis Island story," Miki said.

When Nguyen retired from Boeing in 2000, Miki knew what to give his father. He presented him with a display case that held the red boxer shorts his father wore during their family's escape.

Nguyen's reaction to the gift was understated. He accepted the box without a word. He did write an account of his family's ordeal once for a Vietnamese-language newspaper, but only in the third person. He didn't tell readers he was the pilot.

"He didn't want to brag," Miki said. "But he knew he did a badass thing."

The hero unmasked
Others knew it, too, and they were determined to unmask this modest Vietnamese hero.

Over the years, the captain of the USS Kirk occasionally wondered about the pilot who ditched the Chinook at sea. The question turned into a mission. In 2009, Jacobs went on a Vietnamese television show and asked if anyone knew about such a pilot.

The search was on. The South Vietnamese community in the United States is tight. And one day, Miki received a chain email citing Jacobs' inquiry. He responded via email:

"If you're looking for the Chinook pilot, that's probably my dad."

A flurry of phone calls followed. Jacobs and his former crew were holding a reunion on July 10, 2010, at a conference center in Springfield, Virginia. They invited Nguyen. He was not the same man he was in 1975. He'd suffered the loss of his middle son, Mika, who died from a brain hemorrhage in 2003. And after retiring from Boeing, Nguyen had developed Alzheimer's. He used a wheelchair. He couldn't speak, save for moans and guttural noises.

When Nguyen reunited with the Kirk's crew, his wife was steering him this time. She pushed him in a wheelchair to the hotel ballroom, accompanied by their son and daughter. As they made their way down a hallway, the first Kirk crewman she saw was "Chippy" Chipman, the sailor who had caught her and her infant daughter as they jumped out of the helicopter years ago.

Nugyen saw Chipman as well. His eyes welled up; he was on the verge of tears.

"He was staring at me and I was staring at him. He knew and I just knew," Chipman said.

Chipman approached Nguyen and saluted. He told him who he was and what he did. He looked at Miki, who was now a jovial grown man.

"I'm the guy who caught you," he said in his Texas drawl.

Miki was too stunned to say anything.

Then he looked at a resplendent Mina, who stood beside her father. He told her that he was determined to catch her when she fell out of the helicopter even if meant his life.

"I was proud," Chipman said of seeing Mina. "I don't have children, but it was like seeing your long-lost daughter all grown up. She did well for herself."

The reunion turned into a tribute to Nguyen. The Kirk crew showed color film footage of Nguyen's escape. Various Kirk crew members had taken amateur photos and film that day.

Mina looked at photos of her chubby infant face pressed against the Plexiglas of the Chinook as it circled the Kirk. She saw the photo of herself landing in the arms of Chipman.

"Chills went up my spine," she said.

She then watched the footage of her father's escape.

"This is something like Tom Cruise," she said. "To think it was my own father. To think it was my own family that jumped out one at a time. It baffles my mind."

Miki had his own thoughts. For years, he had admired his father's modesty. He understood it. Many South Vietnamese people who came to the United States after the war just wanted to forget the trauma of the past. They had lost status, rank, their family, their money -- they just wanted to focus on the future.

The result, though, was that families were in danger of losing their past. Their children grew up in the United States without learning about their family's exodus. And now those stories were fading as his father's generation passed on.

"The only difference between my family and others is that we had film and video," Miki said. "Every other Vietnamese refugee came here and had a very colorful and very difficult story."

Miki watched as Jacobs walked before the crowd in the hotel ballroom.

"We saved the best for last," he said as he looked at Nguyen.

Jacobs read a citation honoring Nguyen for his stunning airmanship. It praised his outstanding skills as a pilot, his "calm under extraordinary pressure," and said his actions reflected well on South Vietnam and "are in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

Nguyen could say nothing as he watched from his wheelchair. A Navy officer bent down and pinned an air medal for bravery on his jacket.

Nguyen started to squirm in his wheelchair. Miki, who was behind his father, wondered what he was trying to do.

Nguyen would die from Alzheimer's three years later, at 73, passing away in his sleep one summer night. But at the reunion, in that moment, time folded back to April 1975. Miki watched his father do something that reminded him that, though his father's body was failing, the dad who he knew would come for him was still there.

Nguyen shuffled to his feet from his wheelchair, straightened his jacket as he looked at Jacobs, and, with a trembling right hand, he saluted.

Η ιστορια του εδω:

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 12:46 #106476

Σάββας Ξηρός: Αρνούμαι το «βραχιολάκι» λόγω θρησκείας - Το γράφει και η Αποκάλυψη

LELzzzz

Πιο επίκαιρος απο ποτέ.

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 13:18 #106482 Αυτός ο απίθανος τύπος ο Σ. Ξηρός, ήθελε να ρίξει την αστική δημοκρατία;
Πρόκειται προφανώς για κάποιο ηλίθιο πιόνι. Τώρα γιατί κάποιοι δεν γουστάρουν να βγει από την φυλακή και να πάει σπίτι του (και να είναι υπό περιορισμό), ενώ ποτέ δεν ενοχλήθηκαν όταν έγινε το ίδιο με άλλα μαργαριτάρια όπως ο Παττακός, δεν το καταλαβαίνω...
Σε ό,τι με αφορά, αν ο Σ. Ξηρός δεν γουστάρει βραχιολάκι, μπορεί να καθίσει μέσα. Είπαμε να είμαστε ανθρωπιστές (προς όλους, ανεξαρτήτως φάσματος), αλλά αυτό παραπάει. Αν δεν θέλει αυτός μία, δεν θέλουμε εμείς οι υπόλοιποι δύο.

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 15:57 #106548

Αυτός ο απίθανος τύπος ο Σ. Ξηρός, ήθελε να ρίξει την αστική δημοκρατία;
Πρόκειται προφανώς για κάποιο ηλίθιο πιόνι. Τώρα γιατί κάποιοι δεν γουστάρουν να βγει από την φυλακή και να πάει σπίτι του (και να είναι υπό περιορισμό), ενώ ποτέ δεν ενοχλήθηκαν όταν έγινε το ίδιο με άλλα μαργαριτάρια όπως ο Παττακός, δεν το καταλαβαίνω...
Σε ό,τι με αφορά, αν ο Σ. Ξηρός δεν γουστάρει βραχιολάκι, μπορεί να καθίσει μέσα. Είπαμε να είμαστε ανθρωπιστές (προς όλους, ανεξαρτήτως φάσματος), αλλά αυτό παραπάει. Αν δεν θέλει αυτός μία, δεν θέλουμε εμείς οι υπόλοιποι δύο.

Ισως πηρε χαμπαρι οτι μπορει να του την μπουμπουνισουν οι Αμερικανοι αμα ξεμυτισει. Για το αλλο το εχουμε ξαναπει, ας κατσει μεσα 20+ χρονια οπως οι χουντικοι, και ας βγει τοτε. Ακου στο βιντεο τι λεει εν τω μεταξυ για ακτινοβολια του βραχιολιου κλπ,

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 16:57 #106555

Ισως πηρε χαμπαρι οτι μπορει να του την μπουμπουνισουν οι Αμερικανοι αμα ξεμυτισει.

Σιγά μη στείλουν και τηλεκατευθυνόμενο αεροπλανάκι μέσα στο σπίτι του.

Πιο επίκαιρος απο ποτέ.

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 19:03 #106597

Αυτός ο απίθανος τύπος ο Σ. Ξηρός, ήθελε να ρίξει την αστική δημοκρατία;
Πρόκειται προφανώς για κάποιο ηλίθιο πιόνι. Τώρα γιατί κάποιοι δεν γουστάρουν να βγει από την φυλακή και να πάει σπίτι του (και να είναι υπό περιορισμό), ενώ ποτέ δεν ενοχλήθηκαν όταν έγινε το ίδιο με άλλα μαργαριτάρια όπως ο Παττακός, δεν το καταλαβαίνω...
Σε ό,τι με αφορά, αν ο Σ. Ξηρός δεν γουστάρει βραχιολάκι, μπορεί να καθίσει μέσα. Είπαμε να είμαστε ανθρωπιστές (προς όλους, ανεξαρτήτως φάσματος), αλλά αυτό παραπάει. Αν δεν θέλει αυτός μία, δεν θέλουμε εμείς οι υπόλοιποι δύο.

Ισως πηρε χαμπαρι οτι μπορει να του την μπουμπουνισουν οι Αμερικανοι αμα ξεμυτισει. Για το αλλο το εχουμε ξαναπει, ας κατσει μεσα 20+ χρονια οπως οι χουντικοι, και ας βγει τοτε. Ακου στο βιντεο τι λεει εν τω μεταξυ για ακτινοβολια του βραχιολιου κλπ,

Κοίτα, δεν μου λέει κάτι η διάρκεια. Αν ο άλλος είναι χάλια στην υγεία του, δεν τον αφήνεις να σαπίσει στην φυλακή, τον βγάζεις υπό όρους.
Ο συγκεκριμένος είναι αρκετά χάλια (σχεδόν τυφλός, με ένα χέρι σακατεμένο και το κυριότερο και παρά πολύ βαρύ, σκλήρυνση κατά πλάκας), οπότε για μένα θα έπρεπε να βγει.
Αν δεν θέλει βραχιόλι όμως, να μείνει μέσα, δεν θα τον παρακαλέσουμε κιόλας!

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 19:30 #106603

Κοίτα, δεν μου λέει κάτι η διάρκεια. Αν ο άλλος είναι χάλια στην υγεία του, δεν τον αφήνεις να σαπίσει στην φυλακή, τον βγάζεις υπό όρους.
Ο συγκεκριμένος είναι αρκετά χάλια (σχεδόν τυφλός, με ένα χέρι σακατεμένο και το κυριότερο και παρά πολύ βαρύ, σκλήρυνση κατά πλάκας), οπότε για μένα θα έπρεπε να βγει.
Αν δεν θέλει βραχιόλι όμως, να μείνει μέσα, δεν θα τον παρακαλέσουμε κιόλας!

+100% κι από μένα.

Αυτό που αναφέρει ως λόγους υγείας, εμποδίζει μόνο στις μαγνητικές τομογραφίες. Για όλα τα υπόλοιπα (ηλεκτροκαρδιογράφημα, αξονική ή απλή ακτινογραφία στο υπόλοιπο σώμα) δεν υπάρχει πρόβλημα, ενώ φαντάζομαι ότι αν υπήρχε ανάγκη να γίνει MRI θα υπήρχε και ανάλογη πρόβλεψη να βγει το βραχιολάκι προσωρινά υπό την επίβλεψη αστυνομικής φρουράς.

Tό τοι νομισθὲν τῆς ἀληθείας κρατεῖ.

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 20:08 #106611

Γκάουκ: Να εξετάσουμε το ζήτημα των αποζημιώσεων προς την Ελλάδα

protothema. gr

21q… δεν είναι πόσες φορές θα πέσεις αλλά πόσες θα σηκωθείς…

- 01 Μάιος 2015, 23:31 #106654

Γκάουκ: Να εξετάσουμε το ζήτημα των αποζημιώσεων προς την Ελλάδα

protothema. gr

Κι όπως θα τα πάρουμε θα πάμε να τα δώσουμε στους Τσάμηδες.

Πιο επίκαιρος απο ποτέ.

- 02 Μάιος 2015, 00:15 #106671 πλακα θα εχει κ ο φοιτητης Ρωμανος να αρνηθει το μπρασελε..