drdino έγραψε:Βρήκα το βίντεο της επίθεσης:
https://youtu.be/BkyYk1Jr-cg
dimik έγραψε:Ω τσι πουστηδοι... Ακόμα κι αν ήταν ρεμπετ ασκερ όταν ξεκίνησε ο πόλεμος έμαθαν πολύ γρήγορα.
ArrowsFA1 έγραψε:Χωρίς ίχνος ειρωνείας (το εννοώ)
Δία τι λες για όλα αυτά; Από καθαρά στρατιωτική άποψη.
glf έγραψε:Τώρα πια ειδήσεις ότι πχ κοντέινερ με βλήματα S-300 έφυγαν από την ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΗ νταλίκα που τα κουβαλούσε το έχουμε ως αναμενόμενο
https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/statu ... 2974486528
Zorz έγραψε:dimik έγραψε:Ω τσι πουστηδοι... Ακόμα κι αν ήταν ρεμπετ ασκερ όταν ξεκίνησε ο πόλεμος έμαθαν πολύ γρήγορα.
Ρεμπέτ ασκέρ ήταν μέχρι το 2014, γι αυτό και οι Ρώσοι με τα πράσινα ανθρωπάκια τους (liminal warfare όπως το λέει ο Kilcullen) συνάντησαν ελάχιστη αντίσταση. Ταπεινωτικές και απειλητικές για τη βιωσιμότητα ενός κράτους ήττες σαν κι αυτή όμως γίνονται ευκαιρία για εξέλιξη. Όπως το 1897 για εμάς οδήγησε σταδιακά στο Γουδί και τους Βαλκανικούς, έτσι και οι Ουκρανοί έμαθαν το μάθημα τους. Σε αυτό βοήθησαν και οι δυτικοί (κυρίως ΗΠΑ και ΗΒ) που τους εκπαίδευσαν όλα αυτά τα χρόνια. Για να μην προκαλούν πολύ τη Ρωσία μάλιστα, απέφυγαν να τους δώσουν φανταχτερά οπλικά συστήματα αλλά επικεντρώθηκαν στα βασικά, και αυτό φαίνεται τώρα.
rafi έγραψε:Προσπαθώ να βρω ένα λόγο από το τι όφελος έχουμε εμείς εδώ πέρα από όλο αυτό, εκτός και αν όντως είναι οπαδικό το θέμα.
rafi έγραψε:Για να είμαι και λίγο ον τόπικ από αυτά που ακούω εγώ ο Ουκρανικός στρατός είναι αυτή τη στιγμή σε πολύ κακή κατάσταση και σίγουρα σε πολύ χειρότερη από αυτήν που θέλουνε να νομίζουμε εδώ στη Δύση, ειδικά μετά από τις νικηφόρες αντεπιθέσεις.
corsair έγραψε:rafi έγραψε:Για να είμαι και λίγο ον τόπικ από αυτά που ακούω εγώ ο Ουκρανικός στρατός είναι αυτή τη στιγμή σε πολύ κακή κατάσταση και σίγουρα σε πολύ χειρότερη από αυτήν που θέλουνε να νομίζουμε εδώ στη Δύση, ειδικά μετά από τις νικηφόρες αντεπιθέσεις.
Εχει πολυ δυνατους πομπους το Ραδιο Μοσκβα!!!
drdino έγραψε:rafi έγραψε:Προσπαθώ να βρω ένα λόγο από το τι όφελος έχουμε εμείς εδώ πέρα από όλο αυτό, εκτός και αν όντως είναι οπαδικό το θέμα.
Δεν μπορείς να καταλάβεις τι όφελος έχουμε όταν αναχαιτίζεται η παράνομη εισβολή, τρομοκρατία κλπ εναντίον ενός κυρίαρχου κράτους στη γειτονιά μας;
glf έγραψε:
Σιδεροκατασκευή είναι όλο το κατάστρωμα. Ίσως σε ένα μήνα μπορεί να κατασκευαστεί το κομμάτι που κατέρρευσε;
Crimea bridge: Russia ramps up security after blast
4 hours ago
Close up view of damaged bridge.Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies.
New satellite images taken by Maxar Technologies show smoke and fire following the explosion on the symbolic Crimean bridge.
Russia ramped up security on its only bridge to Crimea after a huge blast destroyed sections of it on Saturday.
President Vladimir Putin has now ordered the country's Federal Security Service (FSB) to oversee the key connector to the occupied peninsula.
The bridge is also a pivotal symbol of Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. The blast killed three people, Russian investigators said.
Officials said work to fix the damaged sections would begin immediately.
Russia's deputy prime minister ordered the destroyed parts of the bridge to be taken down immediately, and said divers would begin investigating damage below the waterline on Sunday morning, Russian news agencies report.
Hailed by Russian media as "the construction of the century", the bridge has been crucial to Russia for the movement of military equipment, ammunition and troops into southern Ukraine.
But new satellite images released on Saturday showed smoke and fire near the collapsed areas of the 19km (12-mile) bridge, which was opened with much fanfare four years after Moscow annexed Crimea.
Since it plays a strategic role in the war, Ukrainian authorities have said it is a legitimate target, as they vow to retake the peninsula.
Ukrainian officials responded with thinly-veiled approval to the explosion - but have not indicated that their forces were behind the attack.
President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged the incident in his nightly address on Saturday, saying: "Today was not a bad day and mostly sunny on our state's territory."
"Unfortunately, it was cloudy in Crimea. Although it was also warm," he added.
Watch: Fire and smoke seen on Crimean bridge after explosion reported
Russian authorities moved swiftly to reopen those parts of the key connector still intact, and said late on Saturday that the bridge has been partially reopened to road and rail traffic.
It is a vital artery in Moscow's supply chain to the battlefront in its invasion of Ukraine - and to the annexed Crimean territory itself.
The Moscow-appointed governor of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, said there was a desire for revenge, but made reassurances that the peninsula still had a month's worth of fuel and more than two months' worth of food.
"The situation is manageable - it's unpleasant, but not fatal," he said.
Ukrainian official David Arakhamia, parliamentary head of Mr Zelensky's party, said "Russian illegal construction is starting to fall apart and catch fire.
"The reason is simple: If you build something explosive, then sooner or later it will explode."
And a Ukrainian MP told the BBC that regardless of who was responsible for the attack, this was a "big Ukrainian victory and very severe and hard loss for Russia".
"The bridge is not destroyed but damaged, but the image of Putin is destroyed, that is the most important thing," Oleksiy Goncharenko said.
It is hard to overstate the political, symbolic and strategic significance of the Crimean bridge. Russian officials previously claimed it was well protected from threats from air, land or water - particularly since it is more than 100 miles from Ukrainian-held territory.
A Russian national anti-terrorism committee said the damage was caused by a truck bomb blowing up, which caused seven railway carriages to catch fire. The home of a man from the Krasnodar region of southern Russia is being investigated, it added.
While Ukraine has not linked its armed forces to the explosion, it has targeted Crimea in the past. Last month, Ukraine claimed responsibility for a series of air strikes on Crimea - including an attack on Russia's Saky military base.
Since the bridge attack on Saturday, Ukraine's social media has erupted in celebration. Its second-largest bank says it has already issued a new debit card design featuring the collapsed bridge.
In recent weeks, Kyiv's forces have taken back significant amounts of territory seized by Russia earlier in the war.
Hours after the bridge explosion, Russia appointed a new commander to lead its troops in Ukraine. Sergei Surovikin is a veteran commander known for leading Russian forces in Syria and was accused of overseeing the decimation of the city of Aleppo.
But Russia still controls swathes of Ukraine, including the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant - the biggest in Europe - which has lost all external power and is relying on emergency diesel generators for the energy it needs for reactor cooling, according to the UN nuclear watchdog.
And the nearby city of Zaporizhzhia, in Ukraine's south-east, saw overnight shelling which killed at least 12 people, according to regional governor Oleksandr Starukh.
A dozen Russian air strikes hit several residential buildings, destroying some and damaging many more, he said.
"There may be more people under the rubble. A rescue operation is under way at the scene. Eight people have already been rescued," he said on Telegram.
Earlier, officials said 17 people had been killed in the shelling.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63189627
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