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- 11 Νοέμ 2020, 19:18 #674251 Αυτό που καταλαβαίνω είναι πως η Aprilia δεν έχει τα λεφτά για πλήρη εμπλοκή, τέτοια που να φέρει αποτελέσματα.
Άφησε το WSBK που τα πήγαινε μια χαρά για την δόξα του MotoGP αλλά χωρίς ΤΟΡ οδηγους και λεφτά για εξέλιξη, δυσκολα τα πράγματα.

Κρίμα και την συμπαθώ πολυ.

Από το Redmi Note 8 Pro

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Fiat Panda 7,6l/100km

- 11 Νοέμ 2020, 19:25 #674252

Ναι, αλλά αυτή η κατάσταση δεν τους έχει πάει πουθενά. Θέλουν και τον Aleix, αλλά και κάποιον ακόμη πιο έμπειρο πιθανόν. Ο Stoner άραγε τι κάνει;

O Stoner έχει προβλήματα υγείας, από αυτά που ουσιαστικά τον οδήγησαν στο πρόωρο τέλος

Επιπλέον, δες και την περίπτωση της Suzuki που χωρίς βαρύ όνομα έφτιαξε ένα πολύ ισορροπημένο μηχανάκι και θα σηκώσει τίτλο με αναβάτη στη 2η του χρονιά στην κατηγορία

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- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 12:59 #674419 https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-fac ... gp-return/

Marc Marquez may face a further setback in his efforts to return to MotoGP for the start of the 2021 season, according to The Race’s sources in the paddock, with the prospect of a third operation that could potentially add months to his recovery time.

The Honda rider badly broke his right arm at the season-opening Spanish Grand Prix at Jerez four months ago, necessitating surgery to install a titanium plate onto the humerus bone.

Subsequently attempting a return to action only five days later, he stressed the injury to the point of significantly aggravating it, prompting a second surgery and extending the timeline for his return into months rather than days.

Marquez had initially aimed to be back in action in time for the end of the 2020 season next weekend in Portugal. But his Honda team ruled that out earlier this week, confirming that he would sit out the final two rounds of the year – and only admitting that he was ‘aiming’ to return to racing in 2021.

That’s because, according to The Race’s sources, his right humerus bone has been left in a considerably worse state than anticipated after two operations to install supportive metal plates.

With each requiring numerous holes to be drilled into his arm, the bone is understood to have been structurally compromised by the repeated surgeries, and Marquez is now facing the potential need for a bone graft, likely with a piece removed from the iliac crest of his pelvis.

According to a medical expert familiar with motorcycle racing injuries who was consulted by The Race, the scenario Marquez is facing could be a nonunion of the break in his arm, a condition that arises when a broken bone is unable to fully heal without surgical intervention.

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- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 13:12 #674423 Κρίμα.

Μακάρι να γυρίσει δυνατός, αλλά το βλέπω δύσκολο. Τουλάχιστον να έχει ένα απόλυτα λειτουργικό χέρι.

Από το Redmi Note 8 Pro

https://www.inexarchia.gr/city-guide/sp ... s-trikoupi
Fiat Panda 7,6l/100km

- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 13:16 #674424 μεγάλη παλαβομάρα εκείνο που έκανε , 5 ημέρες μετά το σπάσιμο ,καναδυό μέρες το χειρουργείο αλλά όλα έγινα με Costa + Honda να δίνουν την συγκατάθεση τους

Το χέρι του είχε πρηστεί σαν κολοκύθα μετά το session.

Ας είναι καλά να επιστρέψει γιατί λίγο τα Yamaha φέτος, λίγο η όλη κατάσταση του να τρέχουν μηχανάκια σε κρύες πίστες, λίγο η έλλειψη του αφαίρεσαν απο το φετινό πρωτάθλημα που πανάξια βέβαια , θα πάρει όποιος είναι να το πάρει.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7APmRkatEU

- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 14:35 #674446 Είναι απαράδεκτο που έδωσαν την συγκατάθεσή τους να τρέξει τότε. Και ο ίδιος, κακώς επέμενε/δέχτηκε κάτι τέτοιο. Οι αναβάτες δεν είναι υπεράνθρωποι.

- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 16:19 #674479

Είναι απαράδεκτο που έδωσαν την συγκατάθεσή τους να τρέξει τότε. Και ο ίδιος, κακώς επέμενε/δέχτηκε κάτι τέτοιο. Οι αναβάτες δεν είναι υπεράνθρωποι.

Υπεράνθρωποι δεν είναι, αλλά τείνω να πιστέψω ότι είναι χαζοί. Σπάσιμο Κυριακή, εγχείριση Δευτέρα, ελεύθερες δοκιμές την Παρασκευή

Για εμάς που σπάσαμε κόκκαλα και κάναμε 2 μήνες να συνέλθουμε, δεν μπορεί να επεξεργαστεί το μυαλό μου αυτήν την "ανάρρωση", ότι φάρμακα και να τους δώσανε

Μακάρι πραγματικά ο άνθρωπος να επανέλθει όσο πιο κοντά στο 100%. Αλλά στην περίπτωση τους η ιατρική πραγματικά μπορεί να κάνει θαύματα

- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 20:55 #674587 Εννοείται πάντως ότι ούτε κοινοί θνητοί είναι αφού σε φυσική κατάσταση είναι πολύ καλά.

Καμία σχέση το επίπεδο των γιατρών που έχουν πρόσβαση σε ότι πιο ενημερωμένο και βελτιωμένο
υπάρχει σε θεραπείες , φάρμακα κλπα
Το γεγονός οτι έχουν μιλήσει για παυσίπονα (και δεν νομίζω να εννοούν κάποιο Depon ) ενώ παράλληλα
ανεβαίνουν να οδηγήσουν τέρατα 300 ίππων , δείχνει απο τη μία τα τεράστια οικονομικά συμφέροντα και τις πιέσεις που ασκούνται αλλά και την εξαιρετικά στοχευμένη δουλειά που γίνεται απο το προσωπικό φροντίδας του αναβάτη
(γιατροί, μασέρ, φυσιοθεραπευτές κλπα)

Να θυμίσω οτι ο Rossi ξανακαβάλησε μοτοσυκλέτα σε περίπου 3 εβδομάδες απο το σπάσιμο ποδιού που είχε ενώ προφανώς δεν είναι ο μόνος.
Απλά ο Μάρκος τραυματίστηκε σε εξαιρετικά κρίσιμο σημείο, ίσως αγνοήθηκε αυτό αρχικά, ίσως πιστέψανε οτι όλα πρίμα και πάμε

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7APmRkatEU

- 12 Νοέμ 2020, 21:19 #674591 Ο χειροπρακτης μου σε σχετική συζήτηση έλεγε πως σταμάτησε να συνεργάζεται με αγωνιστική ομάδα μοτοσυκλετών στην Αγγλία γιατί διαφωνούσε με τις αποφάσεις σχετικά με την υγεία των αθλητών.

Τώρα συνεργάζεται με ποδηλατική ομάδα

Οι κορυφαίοι οδηγοί είναι λίγο "άλλης πάστας" σε ότι αφορά των εγωισμό και τον ανταγωνισμό, παράλληλα με τα εκατομμύρια που παίζονται στα διάφορα συμβόλαια, διαφημιστικά και μη, δεν θέλει πολύ.

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- 15 Νοέμ 2020, 16:44 #675062 Τρέλα ο τελευταίος γύρος

Συγχαρητήρια στον Mir, σίγουρα δεν θα μπορούσε να το φανταστεί στην αρχή της χρονιάς

- 03 Δεκ 2020, 23:40 #678417 https://www.mundodeportivo.com/motor/mo ... ional.html

Ετοιμάζεται για 3η εγχείριση ο ΜΜ

- 05 Δεκ 2020, 20:00 #678718

- 05 Δεκ 2020, 22:51 #678742 Να γιατί δεν πρέπει να παίζουμε με τέτοια τραύματα. Οι αναβάτες είναι κι αυτοί άνθρωποι.

- 08 Δεκ 2020, 14:35 #679309 The 'Marquez case': a bad story of wrong decisions, who is responsible?

A chain of events: the rider’s desire to race, Mir's approval, Charte's compliance, Puig's final OK. We analyse the individual responsibilities while also speaking about the ‘incompetence, negligence and imprudence' of the medical individuals involved

The third surgical intervention on Marc Marquez’s right humerus was performed last Thursday by doctors Samuel Antuña, Ignacio Roger de Oña, Juan de Miguel, Aitor Ibarzabal and Andrea García Villanueva at the Ruber Clinic in Madrid.

It lasted more than eight hours, the amount of time necessary for the various specialists to deal with each one of the issues related to a fracture that refused to heal due to various problems, including infection.

Three operations, in just over 4 months, are no laughing matter, even for a trained sportsman like Marc Marquez and undoubtedly now the best rider in the world is wondering who bears the responsibility for this ordeal.

As far as he is concerned, Marc has already said who he thinks are responsible in an interview with DAZN: “a rider always wants to get back on track as soon as possible, but it's up to the specialists to give him the right information”.

Emilio Alzamora, his manager, reinforced the message: "Marc trusted the doctors and followed their advice, he's not stupid".

Apparently, a few days ago, Marquez drew a line under the whole affair with a tweet that says all his determination: “Little by little I feel better, but the most important thing in this race is to reach the finish line, and we will achieve it!”.

The 'Marquez case': a bad story of wrong decisions

This bad story of wrong decisions would seem to end here, but is that really the case? Probably not.

The fact that Marc Marquez abandoned the team led by Dr. Xavier Mir and the Dexeus University Hospital in Barcelona for the third operation says it all. Obviously, little is leaked out from the clan of the eight times world champion, but every now and then a sentence is made public.

Once again Alzamora, shortly before the third intervention, made it clear: "The recovery is going slower than usual, because right from the beginning things were not done well", he said.

The 'Marquez case': shadow of medical negligence hangs over the assessment of fitness

There is therefore the shadow of medical negligence on the whole matter, starting with an incorrect assessment of physical fitness that allowed Marc Marquez to return to the track at Jerez just four days after the accident.

Now we need to understand with whom the blame must lie in the chain of responsibilities, and if we rule out the rider himself, who obviously gave his assent, but trusting the words of the illustrious primary physicians, we need to question the evaluations of those who, around him, had the task and experience of restraining him. There are three names: Dr. Mir, Angel Charte, who is the head of Dorna's medical service and Alberto Puig.

His predecessor in HRC, Livio Suppo, spoke about Alberto, team manager of the team, recalling the case of Jack Miller who, despite his contrary opinion, competed in two Grands Prix before stopping. A team manager has the power not to let a rider race, but he must also adapt to the opinion of the luminaries of science. He has the last word, but if the rider wants to race and two doctors authorize him, his decision is political, and has nothing to do with medicine.

The 'Marquez case': Puig had the last word, but he is the least responsible

For this reason we feel confident enough to say that, among the three individuals involved in this bad story, Alberto Puig is the one who has the least responsibility.

Furthermore, as an ex-rider, Alberto was probably the last one to want to stop Marc, whose greatness he recognizes.

Probably even Mir, due to his closeness to the Marquez family, must have had some difficulty making the right decision, and the fact that Charte is a colleague of his at Dexeus University Hospital, which belongs to the Quiron Salud group, can’t have helped. We would like to believe that none of the doctors involved in this case wanted to publicly exploit the miraculous return of a national idol just four days after a serious accident, but certainly a greater distance between the protagonists would have helped.

So in this collusion of interests, of fellowship and friendship, Marc Marquez was given authorization to race. A chain of events that we now know have caused a serious misjudgement that could even have consequences on the champion's career. And we're not just talking about the fact that the third intervention will probably force him to miss more Grands Prix.

At this point, we enter the very intricate terrain of the responsibility of the surgeon, who also must respond for any errors made by subordinates as he is guarantor of the entire operation. From this one could deduce Mir's lack of responsibility, assuming that the first operation was perfect. But it was still his job to advise Marquez against subjecting a plate to the effort of controlling a MotoGP bike.

The 'Marquez case': inexperience, negligence or imprudence of doctors?

As Dr. Charte moreover could have done, but he would have had to disavow a colleague. At this point one must distinguish between incompetence, negligence and imprudence.

We can speak of imprudence when the doctor acts recklessly, with excessive haste, with unjustified haste, without adopting the precautions indicated by common experience or by precise rules dictated by medical science.

Negligence, on the other hand, occurs when, due to lack of attention or superficiality, the common rules of diligence that it is legitimate to expect from a person authorized to practice the medical profession are not respected, since they are observed by most doctors.

Therefore, while imprudence consists of active conduct, contrary to the fundamental rules that common experience recommends for safeguarding the health of the patient, negligence consists of omissive conduct, in the sense that what medical science advises to do is not done in the specific case.

On the other hand, incompetence occurs when the conduct of the doctor is incompatible with that minimum level of technical knowledge, culture, experience and professional capacity, which constitute the prerequisite for the exercise of the medical profession.

But here we are on the outskirts of a minefield, in which it will have to be decided whether Marc Marquez, or even Honda, can be considered as the injured party. And maybe it might not be a decision made solely by Marc. Usually in these cases expensive insurance companies are involved and Lloyds of London, or whoever for them, will have to ascertain responsibility before covering the premiums.

- 14 Δεκ 2020, 13:37 #680478 Ο ΜΜ βγήκε από το νοσοκομείο, οι γιατροί είναι αισιόδοξοι πως αυτή τη φορά τα πράγματα θα πάνε καλά, αλλά μιλάνε για 6 μήνες εκτός.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ ... n/4926440/
Που σημαίνει, πως παίζει δυνατά το ενδεχόμενο να γίνει πρόταση στον Dovizioso να αναλάβει την θέση του μέχρι να επιστρέψει!